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Bill: Republic or Monarchy.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberale Partij der Vrijheid
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4107
Description[?]:
| The LPV requests a revote of the age old question introduced by the DDP. Does the parliament want a republic, or a Monarchy? That is the question we are asking. Or better asked, should Darnussia become a monarchy? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:19:11, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian Republican Party | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | OOC: By the way, if someone wonders, the "Von Thallers" were my dynasty around 4080s(?). I think so at least. You'd have to go back a bit to find them. My party was the "Eiserne Ring". Also The DDP player has my full allowance to use the Von Thallers and may only ask me if its a vital action he is planning. Cheers, have a good RP. |
| Date | 21:24:08, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Große Reformpartei - Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Herr Speaker, I just want to state some facts to make the decision easier for all members. -The Darnussian people just elected their former king to be president. The oh so opressive Cedrik von Thaller. -A big part of the populace just voted for parties which are openly criticising the republic I want to add that this is a really stupid bill. Asking absolute questions makes no sense because it makes us look like we want an absolute monarchy. This isn't the case. The PMs should look up our bill if they want to see politics and not a stupid yes or no referendum without stated consequences, plans or arguments for any position Jürgen Dallor Minister of Internal Affairs Führer of the DDP |
| Date | 21:33:22, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Mister Speaker, This is not a question of yes or no, this is a very simple referendum to see if the people in this parliament want to choose freedom to represent themselves, or a monarchy which laws seem to oppressive and overly rascist. We don't need to state consequenses, plans or arguments , because the LPV has spend the last 4 years voting against any monarchical resolution and we feel that fundamentally changing our republic is inherently wrong. Herman Jöhner |
| Date | 21:39:28, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Große Reformpartei - Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Herr Speaker, Mr. Jöhner just said it himself. "This is a very simple referendum" The LPV wants it to be that easy but it isn't. On the one side are the republicans, the heroes of humanity. On the other side the evil monarchists who want to opress everyone. Yes you party makes complicated thinks easy. You still don't understand that what we offer is a compromise to a problem that can't be solved with a simple yes or no. Jürgen Dallor Minister of Internal Affairs Führer of the DDP |
| Date | 22:11:55, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Mister Speaker,\r\n\r\nDo you really deem it an intelligent idea to vote a party in, who wants to fundamentally change the nation, and will do everything to restrict as much of our society as possible?\r\n\r\nOur party makes ideas simple yes, because this isn\'t complicated. It is clear that the DDP is lead by a clan of baffoons who are blatantly lying to the public about "Importances of democracy". \r\n\r\nWell if democracy is so important for you, then why doesn\'t the DDP vote republican instead? There is no place for democracy in a monarchy.\r\n\r\nThe DDP says that they don\'t want a civil war, but are actively contributers to racial seggregation of a big portion of the population.\r\nAs their name suggests, they want dundorfian dominance which means that the darnussians and the rest are not in the equation. \r\nThey think, that if they seggregate our society and infect our children with rascism and ignorance everything will be alright.\r\n\r\nThis is not just against the monarchy, this is against everything the monarchy will bring: Rascism, intolerance, militarism and regulation.\r\n\r\nDo we really want that?\r\n\r\nHerman Jöhnerr |
| Date | 22:12:52, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | OOC: O shit the message got screwed up stylistically. Wait a second, ignore the above one I am posting a new one... |
| Date | 22:14:45, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Mister Speaker, Do you really deem it an intelligent idea to vote a party in, who wants to fundamentally change the nation, and will do everything to restrict as much of our society as possible? Our party makes ideas simple yes, because this isn't complicated. It is clear that the DDP is lead by a clan of baffoons who are blatantly lying to the public about "Importances of democracy". Well if democracy is so important for you, then why doesn't the DDP vote republican instead? There is no place for democracy in a monarchy. The DDP says that they don\'t want a civil war, but are actively contributers to racial seggregation of a big portion of the population. As their name suggests, they want dundorfian dominance which means that the darnussians and the rest are not in the equation. They think, that if they seggregate our society and infect our children with rascism and ignorance everything will be alright.This is not just against the monarchy, this is against everything the monarchy will bring: Rascism, intolerance, militarism and regulation. Do we really want that? Herman Jöhner |
| Date | 22:25:59, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Große Reformpartei - Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Herr Speaker, If we are talking about a monarchy as we proposed it, this isn't only about our party. So we don't get why the LPV is talking so much about their moralic views and how they judge us. Every party will be able to have its own candidate. So the LPV thinks their candidate will bring racsism, intolerance, militarism and regulation. And the ones of the other parties also. One does not find friends that way. Jürgen Dallor Minister of Internal Affairs Führer of the DDP |
| Date | 22:36:23, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | Mister Speaker, The monarchy the DDP proposed is a monarchy of rascism, hate and intolerance. We are seriously repeating ourselves, but that is because our argument stands. Democracy takes a price, and if our democracy is already functioning properly, why change it by installing a permanent monarch? Leadership should not be in the possesion of the top 1%. If we want freedom, there does not need to be a monarchy, there does not need to be royalty and there almost certainly doesn't need to be seggregation. Say what you want, Jürgen, but that is what the DDP stands for. Everything we as a republic were against. Twist my words all you want, but fact stays, the DDP wants a tyranical militaristical regime. You don't need to believe me, mister speaker, don't take my word on it. I'll advise you to check the voting record of the socalled noble democratic monarchists. The LPV doesn't believe in friendships, we believe in rationality and all the evidence is laying on the table. The proposed monarchy would be a catastrophe for civil rights, peacefulness and more Herman Jöhner |
| Date | 22:46:22, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Große Reformpartei - Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | OOC: Why are the members of you party always calling the other PMs with the first name. I am not sure if you want to be impolite or if you don't intend to do this. :D That's why I am asking OOC |
| Date | 22:49:51, October 18, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Partij der Vrijheid | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | OOC: Nah it is just a thing of Herman Jöhner to call people by their first names, showing that he is a big opponent of ritual and tradition. the other members of the party like Mathias Dreesden or Johannes von Steckelnbuerg should be calling people by their last name like it is supposed to be |
| Date | 17:53:52, October 19, 2016 CET | From | Die Nationale Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Republic or Monarchy. |
| Message | *A man enters with a letter that reads the following* To all citizens and members of the assembly We deeply regret that our new formed party cannot participate directly in this debate, nevertheless, we heard of it and decided to write this letter that we believe is of up most importance. We believe that it is not in the interest of the nation to have a monarch ruling the country. It is a time for change and for a better way of life for citizens. The Nationale Kommunishtische Partei believes that neither a republic or a monarchy are solutions. Let me explain: A Monarchy is a system of old, an ancient form of dictatorship. There can be no guarantee of freedom nor equality! It would result in the inevitable disappearance of civil rights, peace, and more so as explained by Herman Jöhner. On the other side, we cannot support a republic! Other countries around us ended up corrupted to the bone by this system, it could very much happen to us! Some Politicians end up serving mega-corporations and bleed out their people when they most need safety and aid. That is why we will offer a third option, one that is new and unique. We propose a government that is made up of the same number of places that we posses in this republic but who's members are citizens of this nation chosen randomly. There can be therefore no corruption, the results are unpredictable. There can be no new dictator, others will be able to stop them as no one is lone to rule. War and laws will be decided by referendum in this entire nation with no distinction by race, religion, sex, or anything else. Because our nation is not symbolized by borders or politicians. It is an Idea, an Idea we all share here and now as we speak to make it better, for everyone who believes in this idea! We cannot say yes nor no, we offer a third option. Take it or forget it, it is your choice. But don't regret your choice later on. Günther Wurst Representative of the Nationale Kommunistische Partei |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 84 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 177 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 38 |
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