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Bill: Question Period: 4108 - 4112

Details

Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hutori

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 4112

Description[?]:

Question Period is the forum for Opposition Political Parties to Question the Government and vice versa on policies, Bills, decisions and everything else. A Record of Question Period during a specific Legislative Cycle will be kept to be referred back to.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date00:57:47, October 25, 2016 CET
From Federal Heritage Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker,

The Federalist party is also interested in learning this information.

Senator Martin Bishop (F-AD)
Federalist Senate Leader

Date12:47:19, October 25, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker

We are still waiting for a response from the Right Honourable Minister of Finance. Is the reason for the delay the Minister has no answers?

Michael Banfield
Senator for Throne
Liberal Finance Critic

Date08:00:25, October 26, 2016 CET
From Hutori Republican Alliance
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
Message(OOC he messaged me, however I did not get back to him promptly)

Date17:50:50, October 26, 2016 CET
From National Monarchist Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
Message"Mr. Speaker,

The salaries of members of the National Senate are borne of the Head of Government budget, and the wage of any member of parliament is equal to the poverty line wage in Hutori. The government will also pay for their travel expenses to and from their home district. Ministers do not receive extra wages, but will receive expanded expense accounts paid for by their own departments. I hope this is a sufficient answer.

The President does not receive a special salary, nor does the Prime Minister; rather, all of their living expenses are paid for in the budget for 24 Orange Avenue and the Ross House."

- Cosmo Costanza (LDP-AD)
Minister of Finance

Date18:11:25, October 26, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker

We are glad to finally have clarity on these matters. Considering the current lowest possible average income in Hutori is on 17,000 HLR a year does that mean the government is also covering food and living expenses for sitting Senators well they are at the very least in Bekenial on Senate business or are the Senators expected to bore the cost of upkeeping two residences across the country?

We will also note that upkeep for Ross House and 24 Orange Avenue are already borne by the Head of Government budget.

Michael Banfield (L-RO)
Liberal Finance Critic
Senator for Throne


Date18:49:17, October 26, 2016 CET
From National Monarchist Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
Message"Mr. Speaker,

It is the opinion of myself and other members of the government that the National Senate should be a part time job. Having low wages requires Senators to either keep their day job or only enter the national senate when they have accumulated wealth.

This way, there can be no such thing as a career politician."

- Cosmo Costanza (LDP-AD)
Minister of Finance

Date18:58:51, October 26, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker

I openly wonder whether or not the Right Honourable Minister of Finance suggesting then the National Senate be a place only for those in society that are successful and wealthy and be closed off to those who are poor?

Democracy and Government service should be open to all in society, but by the definition of the LDP caucus only those who have jobs that would give them time off to perform the duty their constituents voted for them to do or those have acclaimed enough wealth to afford some time off, should be able to sit in this chamber.

These insinuations are insulting the both the members of the Liberal Party and all parties to whom support glsdling the working and middle class!

Further we would love to know what other politicians in this government share the views of the Right Honourable Minister of Finance and the LDP caucus.

Michael Banfield (L-AD)
Liberal Finance Critic
Senator for Throne

Date20:00:13, October 26, 2016 CET
From National Monarchist Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
Message"Mr. Speaker,

The Honorable Senator for Throne paints a very quaint picture, where the rich laugh it up in Bekenial while poor masses are huddled, somehow unable to run for senator.

First of all, even when the Moderate Capitalist Party raised the wages of parliament several years ago, that didn't cause a rush of new poor senators. It just raised the wages for the senators we already had.

Second, the responsibility should be on the political parties. If they want poor people in Bekenial, nobody is stopping them from paying for their housing and et cetera.

If you have to rely on your senator salary, you shouldn't be a senator. We want *citizen* politicians, not career politicians!"

- Cosmo Costanza (LDP-AD)
Minister of Finance

Date20:14:33, October 26, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker

In fact the Right Honourable Minister of Finance finds some things we agree on.

We do not want to raise the salaries of Senators. The salaries of Senators whether they be 17,000 or 170,000 HLR. The exact salaries is a matter of discussion in another debate.

We do not want career politicians, we want politicians to enter politics because it is a public service; not a career.

We have no issues with the thought of Political Parties paying for the expenses of some Senators, however current legislation actually forbids anything beyond public money; that is the money that comes directly from the Treasury and thus the Right Honourable Minister of Finance's department, from being given to political parties.

We currently have legislation before the Senate, Bill L-2, which would allow for citizens to give donations to political parties which we will note is supported by the LDP caucus. If the Senate is willing to support legislation such as this, to take public taxpayer dollars out of the equation, then this will certainly become a non-issue as it will be the responsibility of the individual political parties to support their members, rather then that of the Treasury.

Michael Banfield (L-RO)
Liberal Finance Critic
Senator for Throne

Date14:54:16, October 28, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker

We are calling on members of the Hutorian Republican Alliance, National Progress Party and Hutorian Proletarian Party to give justification for their voting down of Bill L-2; the Fair Election Act and to answer why they insist that Party have to keep receiving only public money and why Parties can't accept political donations.

Under current legislation there is no actual amount set for Political Parties and Candidates to recieve, nor indication where the money has to come from the Treasury, what branch of Government is expected to pay for it.

If these Parties are insistent that the taxpayers fit the bill for our political campaigns and upkeep of our political parties then they deserve the right to know where the money is coming from!

Michael Banfield (L-RO)
Liberal Finance Critic
Senator for Throne

Date05:34:43, October 29, 2016 CET
From National Progress Party
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
Message''Mr. Speaker

The reason why we vote against this bill is because we don't think this bill was really a good idea. You see, in the NPP we believe in a system where the political party would be financed partially or entirely financed by the government and this bill was against the fondamental values of the National Progress Party.

Now for the question about the provenance of the funding. We would like the LBH to be more specific in this question. Because the Liberal Party of Hutori is talking about the different branch of government which is a subject that didn't have anything to do with the issues of the political party funding so we would like the LBH to clarify that part of their question.

-Peter King
Former minister of finance and senator

OOC:OOC: I think we should open a OOC discussion about how the rp mechanic work in Hutori because there is obviously some misunderstands about the way the different aspect of the RP works.

Date14:54:35, October 29, 2016 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageOOC: moving it to a vote for archive purposes

Date19:10:26, October 29, 2016 CET
From Hutori Republican Alliance
ToDebating the Question Period: 4108 - 4112
MessageMr. Speaker,

The HRA opposes private election funding due to the fact that it would create a class of political elites. As we stand parties are only beholden to the voters, who are each equally powerful with one vote and one voice. With the infusion of additional money in politics we would see additional power go only to the wealthy in Hutori.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
     

Total Seats: 291

no
 

Total Seats: 102

abstain
   

Total Seats: 207


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