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Bill: End sexual repression now!
Details
Submitted by[?]: LibCom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2065
Description[?]:
| Pornography depicting consenting adults will be legally available. Consent will be defined strictly so as to exclude any possibility of coercion, economic or otherwise. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The distribution, purchasing and possession of material depicting pornographic acts.
Old value:: All forms of pornography are illegal.
Current: All forms of pornography are legal, but only for adults.
Proposed: Pornography depicting consenting adults is legal for adults.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:33:12, May 27, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | We must end our reactionary policy of prohibition. While the social relations in which pornography is produced are often highly objectionable, they are not always so. Many other commodities are often produced under similarly objectionable conditions (arguably all commodities under capitalism). Prohibition has only served to drive the industry underground, encouraging abusive practices. We must allow the production of pornography while doing our best to ensure that it is produced in the most benign conditions possible. |
| Date | 12:11:59, May 27, 2005 CET | From |  Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | hmmm, internet....pointless.... |
| Date | 14:53:09, May 27, 2005 CET | From | Radical Centrists | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | Supported. |
| Date | 21:09:40, May 27, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | The claim that legalizing something will prevent abusive practicies is fallacious in this case for two reasons. First, all pornography is inherently exploitative, there is no possible production of pornography that does not exploit the particpants. All we are doing here is legalizing the exploitation, not eliminating it. Second, the abusive practices will exist regardless of legal status, because the veneer of legality doesn't make pornographers better people. So now, rather than simply enforcing laws against underground, and presumably abusive, pornographers, we must regulate these same pornographers and an entire new crop of pornographers. Does this sound easier than our present condition? Of course not; in addition to just enforcing the laws, we now have to deal with rooting out the abusive practices in a necessarily transitory industry. Will porn stars unionize? Are we ready to deal with the problems this creates for the government? And all of this is for what? Society is better off with this law how? |
| Date | 18:30:57, May 28, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | Society is better off if the demand for pornography (which will probably always exist) is met by sources that are open, and that can therefore be controlled by the community. How about we only allow pornography to be produced by the participants, and not allow anyone else to profit from it? Would self-exploitation be more acceptable? |
| Date | 02:53:28, May 29, 2005 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | It could be argued that self-exploitation is merely a response to a structural framework of oppression. Because you are poor doesn't meant he state should sanction you prostituting yourself. We should be protecting the vulnerable. |
| Date | 15:39:46, May 29, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | We should indeed be protecting the vulnerable. But until we can do away with the structural framework of oppression (which essentially boils down to capitalism), we should be doing all we can to minimise the harm done to the victims of that oppression. In this case this means allowing them to exploit themselves (if we accept that all pornography is inherently exploitative, that is - which I don't) so that they're not exploited by others. |
| Date | 11:01:56, June 02, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | there are many extremely wealthy pornstars that continue to work, even though they have earned far more than enough to stop working altogether. Furthermore, porn stars have unionized in the past and in RL there are several organizations that promote protection and awareness and support for porn actors. As for exploitation, yes there is, but there is also an argument made by porn actors themselves to the effect that they enjoy their work and choose to do it. A famous porn star published a biography of herself about a year ago that goes into her exploitation as well as the many advantages that came from her job. In conclusion: If we were ever to support this, we would need to know what the measures of protection and control their would be. Also, would the parties consider a gradual relaxation of pornography restrictions over the next 10 years, in which each year we passed a new resolution that would allow, and also control, some aspect of pornography. We would also like to reiterate the pointlessness of illegal prostitution in an age of the internet, unless of course our country is too poor to get computers, which it may be. |
| Date | 23:55:28, June 02, 2005 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | The arguments concerning exploitation primarily relate to the reduction of women to mere commodities whose primary function is to serve the sexual needs of men. To consider it only in terms of those who work in the industry is naive in the least. |
| Date | 11:14:46, June 03, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | What about the women who believe they should have the right to work in pronography? Feminism swings both ways on this issue actually. Not that we are necesarily advocating legal pornography. |
| Date | 19:43:22, June 03, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | If you think pornography necessarily reduces women to commodities etc, you must have rather limited experience of pornography. In any case, it's likely that pornography follows, rather than shapes, societal mores. |
| Date | 23:57:23, June 08, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | Might as well put this to the vote, I guess. |
| Date | 11:28:46, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the End sexual repression now! |
| Message | we might consider a yes vote if there were a succesful vote to make prostitution illegal. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 38 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 42 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 20 |
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