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Bill: Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvisch Liberal Sozialistische Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4119
Description[?]:
| Diplomats are guests to our country, and we must treat them as such. Expelling diplomats from our country is a better alternative to arresting them, as it prevents problems from occurring between us and other nations. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning diplomatic immunity.
Old value:: The government grants no diplomatic immunity and foreign diplomats are subject to arrest and prosecution and civil action under all laws of the host nation.
Current: Diplomats are exempt from prosecution for criminal acts but not from civil lawsuits, but may still be expelled because of criminal acts.
Proposed: The Government grants full diplomatic immunity and foreign diplomats are protected from arrests and prosecution from all laws and are protected from civil lawsuits, but may be expelled.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:40:20, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It's time we start treating the official representatives of other countries accredited by our country with the proper attitude and repsect. Diplomats and Consuls represent highest authorities of foreign countries and they are here to cultivate and expand our relations and friendship After many years and the ex-governments opposition to this solution I am more than happy to inform theStaatsrat that our party will vote on favour. Angela Schultz, DSU leader. |
| Date | 10:25:57, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We wholeheartedly oppose this idiotic, feeble bill. If someone breaks the law in Dorvik, they receive equal treatment, whether they're foreign diplomats or not. Being expelled from our country once the harm is done, with no proper punishment is not satisfactory! What if a diplomat abuses a young lady, do we simply give them a slap on the wrist and tell them to get out? No, justice needs to be served, and this bill will herald the death of justice. Kurt Krier, Progress/Radical Alliance Leader |
| Date | 10:32:59, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Krier, Idiotic are the things you say here. Stupid assumptions that a diplomat who is legally accredited by our government came here not to improve relations and sustaining them but to abuse young ladies. In case of exception this bill provides that the individual will be expelled and his or her government and justice authorities will be informed about the issue. Do we punish president of a foreign country during a visit in Dorvik? No. And we surely don't want to deteriorate our relations with other countries by punishing OFFICIAL repressentatives. Angela Schultz. DSU leader. |
| Date | 11:00:04, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, On behalf of the Foreign Affairs Ministry I would like to thank the DLSP for I introducing this bill and to assure that this will much improve the relations with other countries. Aaron Posse, Minister of Foreign Affairs, DSU ( Liberal '19 Allianz) |
| Date | 11:31:01, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Ms Schultz, I merely said that as a possible hypothetical, not as a certain eventuality. In a hypothetical situation, where a diplomat does commit a heinous crime, what is your response? Chuck him out with no repercussions? You talk about deteriorating our relationship with other countries, but if they commit a crime in our nation, they have already done that for themselves! Kurt Krier, Progress/Radical Alliance Leader |
| Date | 11:37:36, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Krier, Mrs. Schultz presented her response earlier. As for deterioration of relations... that's why we expell an individual in order to avoid further deterioration. A. Posse, FM, DSU (Liberal '19 Alliance) |
| Date | 11:52:31, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr Posse, If a foreign official has committed a crime, we shouldn't be the one to bend over backwards for their country! Unlike your party it seems, we believe in equality, those who commit a crime in our country will be handled the same as anyone else who committed it. The hypothetical diplomat in question who committed a crime will need to answer to them and serve full punishment. Kurt Krier, Progress/Radical Alliance Leader |
| Date | 12:03:49, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Krier, Are you fammiliar with the term 'comm law'? It seems you're not. You don't seem to understand that foreign diplomats are OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES of other HEADS OF GOVERNMENT and HEADS OF STATE and I assure you they are here not for abusing women as you suggested. The suspect if the crime will be committed will be expelled from outmr country and will face the justice authorities there and surely will be punished. Aaron Posse, FAM, DSU (L'19A) |
| Date | 12:33:20, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Correction: 'customary law' |
| Date | 21:15:04, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we are happy that the majorty of the Parliement understood that this bill is reasonable and rational. Angela Schultz, DSU leader. |
| Date | 22:23:47, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr Posse, Abusing women is not the only crime a representative could do, I merely used one of the most extreme hypotheticals possible. A representative could possibly make a minor crime, we still believe they should be treated equally to anyone else, no one is above the law in our eyes. They may not be punished in their homeland, it is merely up to us to deal the punishment. Kurt Krier, Leader of the Progress/Radical Alliance |
| Date | 22:28:47, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr Posse, Abusing women is not the only crime a representative could do, I merely used one of the most extreme hypotheticals possible. A representative could possibly make a minor crime, we still believe they should be treated equally to anyone else, no one is above the law in our eyes. They may not be punished in their homeland, it is merely up to us to deal the punishment. Kurt Krier, Leader of the Progress/Radical Alliance |
| Date | 12:31:46, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Mr. Krier seems not to know the agreement procedure, well I will explain in to him. The country willing to establish relations or introduce new ambasador or consul presents a proposal to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs then we decide wheter to accept him or her or not. And in this Agreement documents there is a point in which we declare that in case of brekaing the diploatic protocol or commiting a crime by the diplomat he or she will be expelled from the country and will be declared 'persona-non-grata' and the sennding state declare that he will face justice. THAT'S HOW DIPLOMACY WORKS MR. KRIER. Aaron Posse, FAM, DSU |
| Date | 15:17:43, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Dorvische Sozial Nationale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | This is NOT where our nation should stand for. We should stand for a country that obeys and respects its own laws. If someone commits a crime he or she has to pay regardless of nationality or status. Chairman Heindrig Aswalt, DKF |
| Date | 15:21:48, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Diplomatic Immunity Bill of 4118 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am amazed by the level of incompetence of my colleagues. Mr. Aswalt did you hear my previous statements? Aaron Posse, FAM, DSU |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 223 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 277 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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