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Bill: Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Unité
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4120
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Premier ministre (Prime Minister)
Current: Premier ministre
Proposed: Premier Ministre (Prime Minister)
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Assemblée nationale (National Assembly)
Current: Conseil de l'État Rildanorien (Council of the Rildanorian State)
Proposed: Assemblée de Rildanor (Assembly of Rildanor)
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:40:27, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | I wish to encourage full discussion on this. We want to know every party's concerns and dislikes and we will work to changing them. |
| Date | 21:08:09, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The establishment of a Monarchy is a step backwards, not forwards, for freedom and democracy in Rildanor. You wish to change our very way of government. You wish to establish a king that will cost much and give us little in return. In a democracy, which encourages the freedom and importance of the individual, why would we establish an unelected Head of State? A Head of State who could, at any moment, choose to fight against our democracy and overturn our decisions? Who could, in some distant future, overthrow our government? All we could do was hope we leave somebody sane and with a strong intellect could sit on the throne- what happens if we get a madman? I fail to see any reason why we should establish a Monarchy, wasting our money for few benefits and for no purpose. If le Parti Libéral was elected to the National Assembly, we would certainly vote against this concept. -Louis Legrand, leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:14:04, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Conservateur | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | I dont like the flag |
| Date | 21:14:51, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The flag has been removed. |
| Date | 21:17:35, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The monarchy will have no effect on our democracy, Monsieur. It will cost nothing and give us a sense of national pride. That is worth more than anything. The monarch would have no political powers - they would not even sign the bills. An heir who is seen as unstable can be removed by an assembly vote in favour of their brother or sister or cousin, etc. Regardless, we understand how radical this may appear. |
| Date | 21:37:22, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The immediate effect on our democracy will be negligible- but the potential for this to occur is not. In addition, it impedes on the cultural importance of the President (the most direct representation of our people's beliefs and feelings). I would also like to argue that if the monarch does not even sign the bills, what real purpose do they serve, except to portray that this is a nation that accepts and believes in the superiority of the few royals to the many citizens? As such, what is their purpose? I am still unconcvinced. -Louis Legrand Leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:43:04, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | It will not hurt the effective importance of the Premier. And their importance, that is to symbolise the Rildorian way. They shalln't be considered 'superior' as people. Our proposed monarch has inherited enough wealth from his mother to buy himself one of the old palaces in the nation, and to run themselves properly. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 21:52:12, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The potential for monarchs to hinder our nations reputation should not be ignored- or to hinder diplomatic relations. Our party fundamentally disagrees with the concept of a monarchy- especially one with no real purpose and that provides no benefits. Tell me, Monsieur Auguste, what are the actual benefits of a Monarchy? This country shall not be ruled by 'why not?'. Why should we? I'm talking real, genuine benefits? -Louis Legrand Leader and founder of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:54:11, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | (OOC: hahah! 'Monseir'. *Madam. I only just noticed. Smh!) |
| Date | 21:56:59, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The monarchy will attract upwards of 75 million in tourism revenue from what we can expect, using various think-tanks and figures. Furthermore, it can be a uniting force between different sides in our country. It will make people from across the nation feel more united. And it's Madame Auguste, Monsieur. And if you're talking about names, nobody who is that 'le grand' is called 'Legrand'. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 22:11:02, November 11, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Firstly, I would like to apologise to Madame Claudette for the translation issue when I wrote my public written response to this suggestion. An honest mistake, I assure you. On to the issue at hand: Will it make them feel more united, or more inferior? I would suggest we first poll public opinion on the matter. As for the 75 million, I cannot argue it will bring some tourism: but a newly founded monarchy with little to no real history becoming that popular? I find it unlikely and overly optimistic. Even if we were to bring in millions, this is a relatively small number compared with the numbers our government deals with daily. How much will this actually solve? Not much, I would argue. And your petty insult makes as much sense as your argument for this Monarchy. Perhaps the PIN is being supported by this suggested monarch? Perhaps they are rather serving the interests of a... donor, than of the public option? Perhaps the monarch should be chosen democratically, Madame? -Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 13:42:15, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Oh, how I yearn to be as innocent as you to the nation's divisions. Unlike you, I have travelled to every town and city in this land and their are divisions. You act as if we are going to exalt the monarch in mass ceremonies, in which we crown him sun god and sacrifice 100 children for him every summer solstice. And, by the way, all money we can invest in our education system, or our justice system, or anything else can change lives. That money can be invested into schools, and buy equipment and staff. All money is useful. Perhaps, unlike me, you grew up in a family who didn't have to think about the importance of money - like a true liberal elite. As we have stated, the monarch is totally non-partisan. He has never been recorded as to having voted, and is not interested in becoming political. I think that the people would want this exceptionally good man to be our king. I'd be proud, and so would 10 million of our voters. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 15:28:40, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The only division I can see is between the liberal revolution and the old right-winger parties that has dominated for years. Knowing your bizarre party's ideals, you would probably rather have us exalt YOU in mass ceremonies, crown YOU sun god, and sacrifice 100 liberals in your authoritarian nationalist name. It is ironic, no, that you lead a party strongly opposing immigration- despite yourself being a Selucian immigrant? You dare call me a liberal elite!? My mother died when I was just a child, and I have never known my father. I grew up with my cousin, a poverty-stricken artist. Check your facts next time you insult me, Auguste. But I digress. A totally non-partisan- or so you say. Who is to say this 'non-partisan' is not buying your beliefs? Or perhaps his children will be total partisans? "All money is useful". Even that gained from bribes, Claudette? Not to mention his strong links with Selucia. Are you selling our country away, Claudette? It is clear to me that this is a pointless exercise. My points fall on deaf ears. You invite debate, then personally insult me as I attempt to do so. This will bring a pitiful amount of Crowns into our coffers. It will risk an unelected monarch having an influence on our democracy, and he will be chosen non-democratically. I cannot support a monarchy. Perhaps we should wait for the public to vote at the end of this year before initiating a vote- a true test of public opinion? That is all. I will not debate this matter any further with those who refuse to remain peaceful in a debate they invited. -Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 15:30:43, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The only division I can see is between the liberal revolution and the old right-winger parties that has dominated for years. Knowing your bizarre party's ideals, you would probably rather have us exalt YOU in mass ceremonies, crown YOU sun god, and sacrifice 100 liberals in your authoritarian nationalist name. It is ironic, no, that you lead a party strongly opposing immigration- despite yourself being a Selucian immigrant? You dare call me a liberal elite!? My mother died when I was just a child, and I have never known my father. I grew up with my cousin, a poverty-stricken artist. Check your facts next time you insult me, Auguste. But I digress. A totally non-partisan- or so you say. Who is to say this 'non-partisan' is not buying your beliefs? Or perhaps his children will be total partisans? "All money is useful". Even that gained from bribes, Claudette? Not to mention his strong links with Selucia. Are you selling our country away, Claudette? It is clear to me that this is a pointless exercise. My points fall on deaf ears. You invite debate, then personally insult me as I attempt to do so. This will bring a pitiful amount of Crowns into our coffers. It will risk an unelected monarch having an influence on our democracy, and he will be chosen non-democratically. I cannot support a monarchy. Perhaps we should wait for the public to vote at the end of this year before initiating a vote- a true test of public opinion? That is all. I will not debate this matter any further with those who refuse to remain peaceful in a debate they invited. -Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 15:31:07, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | (OOC: Idk why it posted that twice?) |
| Date | 16:57:58, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | I've never heard such a titanic load of nonsense and lies. This is the first government my party has been in. My party does not hold any of its leaders above any other human being. My party, also, does not support illegal immigration. We want people like me: skilled, legal immigrants. My apologies for your family. Mine lived in poverty, and I know the pain of family issues. However, many liberals are simply 'guilty' rich people. He is indeed non-partisan. It does not really matter about his children, as they - and follow me here - will have NO POWER POLITICALLY. How dare you unfoundedly suggest I am corrupt. And perhaps it is you who is the racist for suggesting simply because his mother is from Selucia that he is going to aid Selucia perform some kind of low-key takeover. And who are you to talk of personal attacks? I have remained totally peaceful as you stoke fear of Selucians and suggest that they are conspiring to take over. I will debate with anyone. Anytime, anywhere. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 18:59:32, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Do not accuse me of racism, Auguste. My party welcomes immigration and supports equality. I completely disagree with your understanding of who many liberals are. I argue only that a monarch who is democratically selected runs the least risk of ill-found political persuasion and corruption. While my party fundamentally disagrees with the concept of a symbolically superior, unelected influence, we many consider voting for your monarchy if you are able to provide one, single significant benefit to the monarchy. Not a minuscule tourism revenue, not an abstract sense of unity. This country will not be ruled on 'why not?'. If there is an acceptable reason we will consider voting for a democratically chosen, non-partisan, symbolic monarchy. Thank you. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 19:05:26, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | We also disagree with Article 3: titles of nobility should not be hereditary, so as not to create two distinct classes of people in the distant future. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 20:36:13, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The pros of the constitutional monarchy have much more to do with the monarchy than the alternative governing body. One of the major pros of having the monarchy is that there is continuity for the duration the monarch is on the throne, usually a life time position. This creates a stable connection with other governments like many kings and queens have had with the our nation. There are monarchs who have met many presidents over many years. While their Prime Ministers in have changed and they are the ones who put create laws, a monarch will always be the “face” of Rildanor. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 21:12:33, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | How does a totally non-partisan monarch have any real diplomatic impact? Just by existing? I find it unlikely to have any real befnefit. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 22:41:32, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | I find no winning with you. You obviously fail to understand basic diplomacy. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 23:02:04, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | The monarch will, perhaps, provide minor diplomatic benefits to other countries within a monarch. But I fail to see what other benefits this will provide? Especially 'significant' benefits? Please explain, Madame. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 23:06:39, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Keeping good relations with other nations isn't 'significant'? Uniting our country isn't 'significant'? Attracting tourism isn't 'significant'? What is significant? Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 23:17:09, November 12, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | We keep good relations with other nations anyway. Notice I said 'minor' diplomatic benefits. A monarchy will not unite our country. There will still be divisions, political, economic and social. But with a surplus running into the billions, perhaps we should be funding real solutions to these problems. A king will not unite our people. Attracting tourism? How many people really care for a newly founded royal family..? A genuine solution as a result of the monarchy would be sufficient. You have argued not one. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 00:23:57, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Culture, man, culture. That's what we need. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 12:28:05, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | We are already a cultured nation (excusing the nationalist savages such as yourself). Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 13:16:51, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Let us review you behaviour so far: - You've called me 'monsieur' when I am a woman. - Suggested I am corrupt. - Suggested my party is corrupt. - Said I've been bribed. - Questioned my loyalty to this nation. - Made up a racist conspiracy. - Claimed my party hates immigrants. - Said that diplomacy isn't important. - Called me a savage. - Suggested that loving your country makes you inhuman. Wow, such a gentleman. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 18:57:31, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | I refute your argument: -That was a mistake in translation. -I have suggested there is the possibility you are corrupt- and presented an easy solution to this you refuse to even acknowledge. Why? It makes you look even more suspicious! -My 'conspiracy' is not racist. I am simply suggesting we are unaware of where his loyalties really lie. -Your party was founded on anti-Ahmadi, nationalist, authoritarian, hateful ideals that still sit deep within your beliefs. -I did not say diplomacy was unimportant. I simply said that the benefits the monarchy will provide will, in my opinion, provide too little a benefit to be "significant". -I concede you on my comment you are a "savage". -I simply suggest that nationalism is an isolationist plague on our society. Let us review your behavior: -Mocked my name, avoiding the real argument. -Acted sarcastically and unprofessionally. -Dragged this debate into completely irrelevant and separate discussions. -Refused to suggest any real benefits or any real argument for them- perhaps because there are none? -Completely misunderstood my background and refused to research it. So I suggest you either present a real argument for this monarchy or put it to a vote, Auguste. Or do you know you'll lose? Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 20:20:21, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Don't deny what's obvious to see. Claudette Auguste Leader of the Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Assembly Member from Meroix Minister of Justice |
| Date | 21:07:13, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Hah! So you gave up on your monarchy bill huh...? Louis Legrand Leader and founder of Le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:12:24, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | After the recent separation of Head of Government and Head of State, our party will vote for this if article 2 is removed. Louis Legrand Leader and founder of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:20:06, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Gloating only shows you need the appreciation of others. Lara Deniau Assembly Member from Tiralouse Deputy Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire |
| Date | 21:35:34, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Clearly not from you. Your dramatic losses in the National Assembly, your leadership in crisis, forced to cower into your far-right isolationist hateful spite-filled morally corrupt ideologies..? Looks to me like the PIN is on the downfall. I seem to remember PIN was not successful in its first election. Yet here we are, a newly formed party, winning NINE seats in our first election. Looks like the people didn't want a monarchy after all. Good luck with your convention. Louis Legrand Leader and founder of le Parti Libéral |
| Date | 21:36:33, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | (OOC: get rekt.) |
| Date | 23:01:41, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | You're a petulant child who calls millions 'savages' but wants to give rights to child murders. Unlike Auguste, who sadly lost her seat, I will not engage in your buffoonish nonsense by dignifying your indefensible stances with answers. Lara Deniau Assembly Member from Tiralouse Deputy Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire |
| Date | 23:37:52, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Auguste was a respectable leader. We had our distinct differences, yes, but she at least tried to bring some logic and reason to your party. I dread to imagine who you imbeciles decide to elect next. Face it: a liberal revolution is brewing, and your antique ideals are about to fade out. Your movement towards the extreme far-right will only work against you. I encourage you to elect a more moderate candidate and learn some reason. Now let's move on from your intensely unpopular mess monarchy bill and focus on the future. I look forward to, uh, working with you in the coming term. Louis Legrand Founder and leader of le Parti Libéral Libéral member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 23:43:44, November 13, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Impératrice Noire Titles Bill (Previously: Monarchy Bill) |
| Message | Don't tell me what to do you leftie! Charlène Beaux Assembly Member from Morbananque Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 17 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 52 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 6 |
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