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Bill: Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Libertarian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4126
Description[?]:
| From the Partito Social Liberale Istaliano- "In this case, I invite Solentia to consider the Istalian proposition for a common industrial program for the construction of a Aircraft Carrier for each our nation. If Solentia is interested you can find all the technical details below: Displacement: 75,000 tons Length: 283 m Width: min 39 max 70 m Draft: 11.5 m Propulsion: 2 × gas turbines + 4 × diesel-electric engines or 2 × nuclear reactors + 2 × steam turbines + 4 × diesel-electric motors Speed: 26 knots Range: 10,000 nautical miles (19,000 km) at 15 knots (28 km/h) or unlimited distance and 20-25 years without refueling of the reactor Crew: 1,720 men, including 620 of the air group and 100 of the operational staff Sensors and electronic systems: long-range radar + Surface radar + multifunction radar Armament: A 16-cell for Vertical Launching Missiles + 3 × 76/62 mm naval-antimissiles guns + 4 x 25/80 mm Anti-aircraft guns boarded aircraft: 40 Aircraft (50 full load) launch system and aircraft crash: CATOBAR (EMCAT + AAG) Given your legislation on the nuclear weapons I think that probably for you will be best to opt for conventional propulsion. In this case for the sold of this unity we propose a cost of 8.5 billion SOL. If the expenses are too hight to support, we can propose the more affordable Multipurpose Frigate, there are already 8 active in our fleet and we decided to add other 2 unites. They are capability of anti aircraft warfare, anti submarine warfare, and escorte operation (here their presentation: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4118&p=103004#p103004). You obviously are not obliged to accept this offers, but we invite you to partecipate more actively in the ISDA." Thoughts? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:05:08, November 25, 2016 CET | From | National Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | OOC: This would be RP |
| Date | 22:36:20, November 25, 2016 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | Solentia does not need an aircraft carrier. We do not deploy worldwide and have no overseas possessions. Our air bases in Solentia and Istalia are more than enough to adequately support the air-power we need to defend the fatherland. Carriers are very expensive to build and maintain. We would be left with a multi-,multi- billion dollar hunk of metal sitting off our shores. |
| Date | 22:46:07, November 25, 2016 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | If this bill passes, we ask that a financial appropriations bill be put to vote to reflect the change in the Ministry of Defence's budget of at least +10,000,000,000 SOL. |
| Date | 23:41:52, November 25, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | to be precise: 8.5 SOL (2.83 billions SOL for 3 years - the time of delivering is 3 years). |
| Date | 23:51:00, November 25, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | Istalia invite the Solentian Government to attend to present the new budget bill for funds the construction: in this moment Istalia are waiting for the passage of some bill to proced with early elections (OOC: one of our parties become inactive and we have a rule that make madatory in this case call early elections). After the elections also Istalia have to present a budget review, we could say you when we launch the bill to vote to permit also to solentia to lauch the vote for its budget bill. Buliding your Aircraft Carrier together with the ships of our New Naval Program we can able to present you a lower cost than the cost shown in the board of the ISDA Organization. |
| Date | 01:35:41, November 26, 2016 CET | From | National Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | We can cut in other areas to make up for the increased defense spending. |
| Date | 11:26:22, November 26, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | (OOC: in Istalia we adopt this system for similar expensses: if the cost is X million/billion, and the delivering time is Y years: X/Y=Z then you go to increase your budget of only Z million/billion and you decrease to previous budget when will pass the Y years). |
| Date | 22:40:12, November 26, 2016 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Solentian-Istalian Common Industrial Program |
| Message | We know that such projects do not need to be fully funded. However, if we are going to waste money then we want it paid for within the first year. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 276 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 224 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Unless otherwise stated, monarchs and their royal houses will be presumed to be owned by the player who introduced the bill appointing them to their position. |
| Random quote: "Any system that takes responsibility away from people, dehumanises them." - Author Unknown |