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Bill: Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes
Details
Submitted by[?]: Constitution Committee
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4150
Description[?]:
| This bill codifies the changes we would like to make. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Run to battle, men of Baltusia! The motherland looks proudly to you; Do not fear a glorious death. If a foreigner may, any given day Even attempt to subjugate Baltusia, Let him prepare for a fatal destiny, Which menaces such brave aggressor. For the sons of the mighty Baltusia Have sworn, thousands upon thousands of times: To die rather than see the country's Majestic banner humiliated. To live in chains it's to live Mired in shame and disgrace; Run, brave ones, to battle!
Current:
| Oh beautiful, your glorious skies, Your amber waves of grain, Your mighty mountains’ majesty Beyond the golden plains! Baltusia! Baltusia! Compatriots, let us proudly Show our face, from today prouder than ever; Baltusia may live long And a slave again, never! |
Proposed:
| O beautiful for spacious skies, For amber waves of grain, For purple mountain majesties Above the fruited plain! Baltusia! Baltusia! God shed His grace on thee And crown thy good with brotherhood From sea to shining sea! O beautiful for pilgrim feet, Whose stern, impassioned stress A thoroughfare for freedom beat Across the wilderness! Baltusia! Baltusia! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law! O beautiful for heroes proved In liberating strife, Who more than self their country loved And mercy more than life! Baltusia! Baltusia! May God thy gold refine, Till all success be nobleness, And every gain divine! O beautiful for patriot dream That sees beyond the years Thine alabaster cities gleam Undimmed by human tears! Baltusia! Baltusia! God shed His grace on thee And crown thy good with brotherhood From sea to shining sea! |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: President
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: President
Current: President
Proposed: President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Congress
Current: Congress of the United States
Proposed: Congress (Upper House: Senate, 100 seats; Lower House: House of Representatives, 435 seats)
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 700
Current: 450
Proposed: 535
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Long live the People of Baltusia!
Current: Gloria Baltusia
Proposed: In God is Our Trust
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The National Animal.
Old value:: Lion
Current: Baltusian Bear.
Proposed: Bald Eagle
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:09:21, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Our party are proud to be the first party to officially endorse and partner with the Constitution Committee and back these changes. Matthew Burgmuller CPoB Leader |
| Date | 20:20:34, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | We thank Mr Burgmuller and his party for the support. We recognise his passion for the country and that he wants what's best. We hope that other parties share this love enough to follow suit. William Horncastle, Chief Committeman, Constitution Committee. |
| Date | 21:32:30, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Our party wants Baltusia to be unique and wonderful, not a carbon-copy of another nation. I urge all those who think like-minded to vote these changes down. For Baltusia, Morris Shephard. |
| Date | 21:34:35, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Mr Shepard, Which nation in Terra are we "copying". We're trying to create a unique and wonderful nation. We're trying to set ourselves apart! Vote yes, we both want the same thing. William Horncastle, Chief Committeman, Constitution Committee. |
| Date | 21:47:44, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Mr Shepard, Only by creating a unique identity in the changes that we've proposed can we avert disasters like the Shah crisis. If we present ourselves as united, modern, fresh and unique, we send a message to the world that we are who we are and no one can change that. William Horncastle, Chief Committeman, Constitution Committee. |
| Date | 22:01:38, January 02, 2017 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | I do not agree with this it will not work |
| Date | 22:06:37, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Why? What's your reasoning? |
| Date | 22:09:58, January 02, 2017 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Well we have so many parties the national anthem is fine and many people don't trust God |
| Date | 22:12:07, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | There's nothing wrong with having a lot of parties, it's better for democracy. The national anthem that we currently have is a relic of a bygone age that doesn't represent our nation anymore. The motto is aesthetically necessary. We urge you to reconsider. |
| Date | 22:12:31, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | We would be copying a OOC nation! What good is a country that can't think for itself. We have a colorful and unique culture. For Baltusia, Morris Shephard. |
| Date | 22:14:21, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | OOC: I'm confused, are you OOC in your criticism? Our nation is the Particracy equivalent of America. Look at our flag, look at our cultural protocol. We are undoubtedly based on the US. We need to strengthen that image. |
| Date | 22:25:39, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | 1) I said OOC in referring to the country you just named. 2) Our country may very well be the equivalent but that doesn't mean we have to be exactly like it. Morris Shephard. |
| Date | 22:29:09, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | OOC: We're not exactly like it in the changes I proposed for that exact reason. We should be influenced by not a copy of. That's why the proposed anthem is not the star spangled banner. That's why the proposed motto is not In God We Trust. We need to be unique in our identity in terra and there is no other nation which has these qualities. |
| Date | 23:05:44, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Okay, here's what needs to happen. If you oppose this bill, write down your biggest reasons. Also write what you would change about the bill to make it something you'd support. |
| Date | 23:30:24, January 02, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | The purpose of the committee is not to dictate which chmages need to happen. It's to find the best change that works for all of us. Tell us why you don't like our proposals and what you'd do instead. This isn't a unilateral process. Let's work together. |
| Date | 15:39:57, January 03, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Chief Committeman Horncastle, We thank you for your time and effort in compiling this report. My agreements or objections to the various articles of this bill: Article 1 - I do not wish to change the national anthem: although the Committee's new verses are indeed stirring, our party believes in the traditional lyrics of the current anthem. They are steeped in history, pride and the blood of our forefathers. The lines... If a foreigner may, any given day Even attempt to subjugate Baltusia, Let him prepare for a fatal destiny ...Were sounding in my ears as Aldegar attempted to foist a king on us! Articles 2 and 3 - Fine. Articles 4 and 5 are fine from the Patriotic Party's point of view if the bicameral system is something every party wishes to adopt and embraces the system previously set out by the committee, including the presidential veto rule. OOC - Personally, I think it is ok for people who have been here for a long time but for players who dip in and out of Baltusia, the complexity may put some off and we may end up running out of fresh blood, so something to bear in mind. Article 6- Again, whilst our party supports the connection between god and the state, we do not wish to see our country's motto changed. Article 7- I suppose it would depend on whether we see more bald eagles flying around or lions prowling the prairies in Baltusia. Personally, I would prefer the golden eagle. Ralph Mason Patriotic Party Leader. |
| Date | 16:29:11, January 03, 2017 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | We wholeheartedly agree with what the Patriotic Part has said. OOC: For articles 4 and 5 I would like to see a test run done. Leader of the Free Market Party, Morris Shephard. |
| Date | 19:14:44, January 03, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | Members of Congress, Following the diverse feedback we have received, we will take into consideration these opinions and resubmit our proposals accordingly. We will also submit them in the new form which we have proposed given the consensus surrounding its introduction. We thank all members for their participation. William Horncastle, Chief Committeeman, Constitution Committee. |
| Date | 19:46:28, January 03, 2017 CET | From | Constitution Committee | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=499125 |
| Date | 23:33:30, January 03, 2017 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Constitution Committee - Proposed Changes |
| Message | I mean what's wrong with our current system the new idea seems to complex |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 176 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 446 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 78 |
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