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Bill: Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Democratiqué Populaire
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4154
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Train Operating Companies (TOC).
Old value:: There is a single publicly owned TOC.
Current: The State owns and operates a national TOC, alongside private TOCs.
Proposed: Private companies operate TOCs throughout the country.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Funding of public transport (where applicable).
Old value:: Public transport is fully subsidised by the government.
Current: Public transport is fully subsidised by the government.
Proposed: Public transport is fully subsidised for people with low-income, with the remainder "user-pays".
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The banking system.
Old value:: The government operates large, national banks, but small community based private banks are allowed.
Current: The government operates and owns all banks.
Proposed: The government operates a central bank and all other banks are private.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 65
Current: 62
Proposed: 70
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on the nation's power grid.
Old value:: The national grid is fully owned by the state.
Current: The national grid is fully owned by the state.
Proposed: Multiple private companies each own and maintain sections of the national power grid.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:36:20, January 20, 2017 CET | From | Parti Communiste Kanjorien | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | This is an insult to ALL Kanjorians. Public transport is a service, to be provided free of charge to those who lack other means to get to their jobs. Railroads is another transportation method, that people need in order to do business. Putting this in private hands will increase the costs for average Kanjorians. Banking is so vital, as most economies depend on it, to be left in private hands. It needs to be public. Also, raising the retirement age, is an ASSAULT on our elderly. They do not need to work their entire lives. Energy is too important to be in Private hands, once again, this will make energy more expensive, and destory the green energy policies of the PPSK, that Helped Kanjor in many ways. Mark our words, when we get seats, we already have a Very well known politician running on our ticket, and we Will be the peoples party, we will bring The great policies you have destroyed back. |
| Date | 03:13:52, January 21, 2017 CET | From | Parti Democratiqué Populaire | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | "1) Public transport is not a human right. People have all the prerequisites necessary to either obtain drivers licenses or pay for other people to transport them. A lot of money is being poured into what is essentially non-essential services, that most of Kanjor's middle class in fact can afford (and will be able to afford even better if we get to have influence over the tax system). If you work part-time, you are a pretty poor citizen. Last time I checked, we did not abolish free public transport altogether. For example to those who can not afford it. 2) What is the proof that it will increase costs for average Kanjorians? More competition = more alternatives = less prices. I strongly advice, as a former bank employee, the communists to learn how basic economics work. 3) Why does it need to be public? Because of objective facts or communist ideology? We would like to hear a more well-thought of motivation because the communists essentially argue that it needs to be public because it needs to be public. There are plenty of prosperous countries around the world where they have figured out they do not need an all-knowing government to run the entire banking sector. 4) Making that argument is an ASSAULT on intellectual honesty. Because currently there is no proposal in the Sénate proposing an order to move all the elderly citizens to labour camps and force them to work quote unquote, "for their entire lives". Are 70 years the entirety of one's life? Will people unable to work be forced with a new retirement age standard? That is a strange conclusion as people are not forced to work until 65 under the current system. Nothing will change, except for higher tax incomes and more freedom for elderly citizens that feel that they can contribute to society just a bit longer. We have full understanding though that communists hate everything associated with work and responsibilities. In a struggle for a Utopia, there are only rights - not weighing in factors of human nature. 5) I doubt once again that communists understand how basic economics work. More competition = lower prices. What basis does the gentleman have for his conclusion that prices will increase? Contrary to socialism, we are not proposing unnecessary, ineffective taxes for instance. I would in all friendlyness recommend the gentleman from Parti Communiste to just take a basic class of economics, it is not that hard really. " -Rodolph Joubert, presidential candidate for the PRK |
| Date | 04:14:43, January 21, 2017 CET | From | Parti Communiste Kanjorien | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | "1) we never claimed for it to be a right, however it is a service that should not be private, and should not be used by people just for the sake of making money. 2)putting rail in private hands will increase costs to the average Kanjorian, with privatized rail, there is no fixed rate, and if your only option is a more expensive line, in the long run will hurt or economy. 3) Banking needs to be public, so it is transparent, has no ground to influence politicians, such as yourself. 4) the average life span is around 75. Considering this, the elderly deserve more than 5 years to spend enjoying the rest of their lifes. 5) We understand basic economics, and our candidate for president ran this country for 12 years, and during that time the economy boomed from her policies. Taxes are needed to run the government, however big it is. We feel that as Pro-Corporation as you are, perhaps you should quit taking so much money from them. In the modern day society, class war is a threat. the 1% against the 99%. it appears you have decided to assist the rich, while screwing over the common worker." Sacha Boudreaux, Candidate for the senate |
| Date | 14:59:40, January 21, 2017 CET | From | Parti Democratiqué Populaire | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | 1) Why not? Why can you not make money on something where you risk your own capital - because communist ideology deems it immoral? We need a better thought-of argument to consider the viewpoint. 2) And decreasing taxes will make the average Kanjorian so much richer, in fact it will make all of them richer as our tax plan aims to decrease taxes of all income brackets, even abolishing taxes for the poorest. We don't think communists understand how economics work but let me try to explain it: look, it doesn't benefit a corporation having unreasonably higher prices. It leads to an inevitable bankrupcy as people rather take the car or even choose the services of another company if the prices of one are unreasonably high. Either way, with our politics Kanjorians end up with much thicker wallets than today and if they're unable to pay for public transport there is a protection net for them under this proposal. It is a non-issue that it will be a couple of Rupees more expensive. 3) That is a very serious allegation Mr. Boudreaux, might you cite some proof before you make the Sénate into your own personal forum for conspiracy theorists? The problem with your argument however, is that bankers still can influence politicians either way. So it is highly irrelevant if they work for the government or for private corporations. There are different interests and personal relations within a government apparatus too. One example of government corrupting the government is Tristan's entire regime for instance, where some military elements ran the whole country and enriched themselves. 4) Doesn't matter, nothing will change for the people unable to work. Nobody will be forced to labor, unlike in some countries historically that have been ran by communist ideology. Are you able to work, do you want to contribute to society - you are welcome to do so until the age of 70. That is the standard, but even the PRK understands that not all individuals have prerequisites to be able to fit into that standard. We are not collectivists, we understand there are individual differences. 5) That claim needs more proof. Kanjor has always been a prosperous country much thanks to its culture and hard-working people. We do not need explanations how tax systems and financing works, PRK is a liberal party with a pragmatic approach. We understand that most taxes can not be abolished in a near future. To be fair with you Mr. Bodreaux, you are starting to sound a lot like officials in Tristan's regime right now. Talking about class enemies, talking about a president-elect that wants to increase salaries for working people - betraying them, talking about a black-and-white Terra analysis where you're either pro-corporate or pro-working people. Last time I checked, we are a democracy since 4114 and I advise the gentleman to stop putting labels on opponents that make them legitimate targets of violence in the eyes of the most extreme elements. We have great responsibilities as democratically elected politicians, Mr. Boudreaux. |
| Date | 17:37:32, January 21, 2017 CET | From | Parti Communiste Kanjorien | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | For one, im a female so at least get that right, 1) public transport should be a service to the citizens, not a business 2) high corporation taxes prohibit ceo's from getting giant bonuses, while workers work on minimum wage. Higher corporation taxes insures that the middle and lower classes are not taxed to death. Higher corporation taxes, allow small business to grow, because it limits giant to big to fail corporations. 3) Ms. Boudreaux, and considering all of the Pro-Big bank and pro-Big corporation bills you have pushed, it is likely that they have chipped in in some way or fashion. With public banking, banks would not use the peoples money to bribe or invest in government, because with public banking, it is transparent people have a say in how their money is used. 4) a better argument then "Doesnt matter" is needed. I said that our elderly deserve more than 5 years of peace, and to relax and enjoy life, and by your answer you seem to disagree, to you, our elderly are just another way to make money. 5) Under Perry's government, Kanjor signed new trade deals, put money into public works, And worked to even the playing field between the rich and the poor. We do not sound like a fascist regime |
| Date | 19:22:42, January 21, 2017 CET | From | Parti Democratiqué Populaire | To | Debating the Act for a Competitive and Growing Economy II |
| Message | 1) Why not? We need more motivations. And to make another point, services and business aren't necessarily mutually exclusive oxymorons. The terms quite often contrary to left wing belief, have a symbiotic relationship. If you provide shit services - you are doomed to bankrupcy. That is the reality of capitalism - nobody is entiteled to anything but everybody gets a fair shot. 2) The communists haven't proposed any increases of corporate taxes. It is an unrealistic notion that a 30% corporate tax "prohibits CEOs from taking out high bonuses". How does it do so? And what is wrong with hard-working, competent people making money anyways in proportion to their hard work? We want to increase the salaries of everybody. That is why we abolished taxes for citizens making up to 10.000 Kanjorian Rupees. 3) You need more proof than quote unquote "connecting the dots", like every routined conspiracy theorist would. No. We believe in a society where people have rights and duties, and minimal government involvement in the economy. So I advise you to debate on a slightly higher level. You have no evidence to your claims. What gurantees this? For all I know, the fascists could have nationalized banks too theoretically. Communists seem to love generalizing, but for the argument to be valid, you need to look at other legislation and structures as well. How does government being the owner of banks - gurantee - anything? What is needed are smart regulations, not a whole sector nationalized. 4) So all elderly die at the age of 75 because the average life expectancy says so? Okay, noted. When you're about to die, there are often indications. This implies that you are obviously not fit for work. Again, we are not forcing anybody to work with this new standard. Only encouraging the ambitious and still strong elders, to have an opportunity in giving society even more. 5) Your and only YOUR rhetoric sounds very fascist Ms. Bodreaux. Because instead of traitors, quote unquote "Ahmadi terrorists" and decadent liberals - we are hearing rhetoric that echoes the years of fascism. You, Ms. Bodreaux, are making US legitimate targets, accusing us of this and that without any evidence. YOU, Ms. Bodreaux, paint us out as a nasty caricature of greedy, criminal, phony businessmen (if you even can call them businessmen), that profit off the deaths of infants. What we are in your "class warfare" Terra analysis, are class enemies. YOUR rhetoric is divisive, and it encourages extreme elements to do similar things that Tristan's private guards did to people in our country. Democratically elected officials have a much higher responsibility than inciting queralants, and to be entirely fair Ms. Bodreaux, I think you should resign as you are not fit for holding an office in a democratic system. Thank you. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 731 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 19 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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