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Bill: Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Progress Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4156
Description[?]:
| (This bill was proposed by the minister of Defence Oliver MacKenzie) This bill seek to create new regulations and restrictions toward the use of landmines. Article 1)Land mines shall only be used in time of war Article 2)Land mines shall never be used inside the Hutorian territory Article 3)The hutorian armed force shall only use land mines in area where there is a very low risk of civilian passing through this area Article 4.1) The hutorian armed force will have to keep records of the exact emplacement of every land mines they have Implanted. Article 4.2) After the war, These records will be given to the government of the country where the land mines were implanted so they can easily demine their soil. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is allowed.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:22:24, January 23, 2017 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | ''Mr. Speaker, I hereby open this bill up to debate'' -Oliver MacKenzie Minister of Defence |
| Date | 09:18:14, January 23, 2017 CET | From | Hutori Socialists | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | "Mr Speaker, These are reasonable and common-sense measures to ensure the limitation of unnecessary loss of life and to keep our, and foreign country's, citizens safe." - Gregory Tristan (HSP-KE) |
| Date | 15:56:53, January 23, 2017 CET | From |   Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | Mr. Speaker This foolish report written by the Minister of Defence evidently doesn't understand Military reality. The first Article; Land Mines should not be used in a time of war." Makes no sense. If the Hutorian Army isn't used mines during a time of war when are we supposed to use them and why? This Administration has kept the Defence Portfolio without any conceivable notion of what to do with it and the I shudder for the men and women who serve when their Minister of Defence is a Lieutenant who evidently learned everything he knew of warfare from a theory class at the Bekenial Military College! Robert Woodbury (R-KE) Senator for Prosperity Hills, Port Prosperity Royalist Senate Leader Royalist Defence Critic Hutorian Army, Colonel (ret.) |
| Date | 22:02:01, January 23, 2017 CET | From | Hutori Socialists | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | "Mr Speaker, I humbly request that the Royalist Party read the first clause of the land mine restrictions. It clearly states that they are ONLY to be used in times of war. If Mr Woodbury can only attack one clause that doesn't exist in this bill, then the Socialist Party's claim that these are common-sense and reasonable measures still stands." - Gregory Tristan (HSP-KE) |
| Date | 22:46:01, January 23, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | OOC: it did not only only when I wrote that original post, it Said not ;) evidently the NPP saw the mistake and didn't comment and simply edited... which yes my hyper belligerent Senators will pounce on ;) |
| Date | 22:58:26, January 23, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | Mr. Speaker I know that these policies were copied directly from the Hutorian Army's Guidelines For the Use of Landmines in a Combat Battlefield; when the Hutorian Army was given leeway or the decision on the employment of Landmines. That Lieutenant MacKenzie and President Bates are only able to employ THEORY already developed by the military does not surprise us at all. The Hutorian Army Corps of Engineers already make detailed maps of Landmines to avoid our Forces from running into them. Regardless we wish to ask LIEUTENANT MacKenzie the viability of enforcing a policy of only using Landmines in areas where civilians are unlikely to walk, if civilians aren't going there what makes the National Progress Party think OpFor will go anywhere near there and further can the NPP actually define what an area where few civilians would wander is? The country side? Mountain? Anywhere that isn't strategically viable? Robert Woodbury (R-KE) Senator for Prosperity Hills Royalist Senate Leader Royalist Defence Critic OOC: I'm establishing the Royalists as Parliamentary attack dogs... I've noticed Question Period had gotten too quiet. Time to Light this place up! |
| Date | 00:13:45, January 24, 2017 CET | From | Hutori Socialists | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | OOC: To the best of my memory, it was always like it was in the first clause. The Socialist Party would've also pounced upon such measures as they defeat the purpose of having land mines whatsoever. Also, I know you are directing your commrnts to NPP as Minister of Defence, but civilians differ from enemy soldiers, and I'm sure NPP will reinforce this same point. |
| Date | 01:00:44, January 24, 2017 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | OOC:I never change the description. Maybe you misread and you confused the article 1 and the article 2. |
| Date | 06:39:55, January 24, 2017 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | ''Mr. Speaker I would first like to thank the senator of Prosperity Hills for his questions. What the senator need to understand is that the article 3 is mostly a advisory article. Of course, if a officer give the order to implant a land mines in the middle of street or in the soil of a cultivated fields, he will be punish by the martial court. But mostly, the army officers will be called upon to use their judgment and intelligence to not to put any land mines in places that could be dangerous for the local population.'' OOC: What is that ''Hutorian Army's Guidelines For the Use of Landmines in a Combat Battlefield'' that you are talking about? Can I have the link to see it? |
| Date | 12:44:05, January 24, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | OOC: at one point the Hutorian Army had self regulation of landmine use. Myself and RIS, who have jointly controlled the High Command of the military for RP purposes for years as we're usually the ones organizing military RP, decided together the type of self regulation to use in terms in Landmines; at the time we were fighting a war with Trigunia and it was necessary. I still utilize the CDS Character to command the military again for RP purposes. If the Head of the Military for example was yanked in front of the Minister of Defence, President or any Senate Committee I would RP him or her. The current CDS, or Chief of the Defence Staff, for example is General Brittney Ross. IC: Mr. Speaker We thank the Minister of Defence for acknowledging that this policy is simply advisory. We think this entire Bill is foolish; what is an enemy invades Hutorian soil, what if we are pushed out of a Frontline and civilians return to the area we fought over and trigger Landmines. Despite the i assume good intentions behind the Bill it's clear that Lieutenant... I apologize Mr. Speaker, Minister MacKenzie didn't do his homework when crafting this Bill. Robert Woodbury (R-KE) Senator for Prosperity Hills Royalist Senate Leader Royalist Defence Critic Hutorian Army, Colonel (ret.) |
| Date | 13:21:50, January 24, 2017 CET | From | Hutori Socialists | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | "Mr Speaker, We would like to request that the former Colonel Woodbury and current Royalist Senate Leader not disrespect the title of Lieutenant Oliver MacKenzie. The Lieutenant is an example of a Hutorian keeping his country safe every day and Mr Woodbury's intentional disregard for this title is a blatant dismissal of those who put their fellow citizens' lives before their own. Think twice before you offend a member of our Hutorian Armed Forces again." - Gregory Tristan (HSP-KE) |
| Date | 16:43:49, January 24, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | Mr. Speaker As the Honourable Senator from the Socialist Party will note I did in fact apologize for using his rank rather then his title of Government. Further to the point, how dare the Honourable Gentleman imply I have anything but respect for the service Minister MacKenzie has given to his country. I served in the Hutorian Armed Forces for 21 years and to suggest I do not respect those who chose to serve as I have is insulting to me and the uniform I wore! Perhaps the Honourable Gentleman should think twice before HE insults a retired member of the Hutorian Armed Forces! I do not question Minister MacKenzie's service record in uniform; I question his expertise on the subject matter at hand which is fully within my rights as a sitting member of the Opposition! Robert Woodbury Senator for Prosperity Hills Royalist Senate Leader Royalist Defence Critic Colonel (Ret.), Hutorian Army |
| Date | 23:59:15, January 24, 2017 CET | From | Hutori Socialists | To | Debating the Bill NP-37: Land mine regulation |
| Message | "Mr Speaker, Simply put, I may have misinterpreted Mr Woodbury's rephrasing from Lieutenant to Minister MacKenzie as an intentional jab at his legitimacy as a member of the Hutorian Armed Forces. I apologise for any miscommunication." - Gregory Tristan (HSP-KE) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 336 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 184 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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