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Bill: D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan

Details

Submitted by[?]: Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: September 4162

Description[?]:

Domenico Molugno, President of the Repubblica Istaliana

"As President of the Republic,

ESTIMATED THAT

- There is a measure of the embargo against the nation of Saridan (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=502348) and taken into serious consideration the reasons that led to this decision;

- The embargo has caused the emergence of a suppression of istalian citizens who are living in Saridan, enterprises and economic activities in general, repression that has come down to the establishment of real camps for not well known occupations;

- Some citizens of the Republic Istaliana are still missing;

- This emabrgo was followed by two anti-istaliani measures (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=502444; http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=503442)

DECLARES

The immediate end of the embargo against Saridan provided that the following conditions are guaranteed:

1 - Withdrawal of measures "Anti-Istalia Act" and "Second Anti-Istalia Act"
2 - immediate liberation of all istaliani still victims of repression and restrictions on personal freedom and enterprise;
3 - apologize for have kept more than 400 Istalian citizens in a concentration camp;
4 - A big refund for killed or tortured citizens ( I know, it cannot refund their families, but it has to be done)
5 - Approve some laws that bring back at least basic civil rights in Saridan (liberty of expression, liberty of religion and more)
6 - Say in a world communication (by the Saridan government) that they did wrong actions and their apologize for all their damage at world peace and economy.


Signed
Presidente della Repubblica Domenico Molugno

Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri Alessandro Monti

Ministro degli Affari Esteri Giulio Verdi

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date15:51:50, February 02, 2017 CET
FromMetzism movement party of Pontesi
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageDear collegues of Istalia,
If you approve this bill, you will send the wrong message to the world and other rogue nations, as you are a big influental nation, youre nation will have a lot of nations who want to blackmail you and if you agree with terrorist like saridan, other rogue nations will try to do the same. You can't discuss with terrorists! Even so, potensi will carry by taking harder measurements and hope you will come back to sense and join our alliance.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Jadoul
Foreign minister of potensi



Date16:48:08, February 02, 2017 CET
FromPartito dei Democratici Istaliani
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageGiulio Verdi, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Istalian Republic:
"We are not discussing or negotiating with terrorists, we are avoiding the war and trying to estabilsh a diplomatic relation to bring again the peace within our nations! And if we are doing this is also because we don't want that our citizens will be arrested in another country for crimes that they have not made anymore."

Date18:43:08, February 02, 2017 CET
FromMetzism movement party of Pontesi
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageIf you agree to their blackmail and that is what this proposal will do, you wilk have agreed with terrorists. A war is coming, because their will be nations who won't agree with the fascistic governement of Saridan. I leave you to discuss this matter in private with the others parliamentairs of Istalia.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Jadoul,
Foreign minister of Potensi

Date20:13:16, February 02, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja, Leader of PSLI:

"What the hell is this? And, a treaty of mutual cooperation? Are you become totally mad? You are blackmailed and you passively accept? This is a suicide! All the world will laught of them and all the rogue nations of this world will know that Istalia will br ready to accept any blackmails and any imposition, you will show to the world a nation weak and that any nation could easily bend.
Now that we have all the World Community to our side you decide to give this satisfation and to give to Saridan the confirmation that blackmail other Nation is a good way to "Negotiate".
This Government seems to be interested more for the possible economic loses derived by the sanctions, in reality almost irrilevant in the totality of our economy.
A Governmet that propose to cooperate with segregationists that discriminate women and ethnic groups and that slaughter its citizens also for the minor crimes! You will bring shame on us declaring to want cooperate with similar people! Go you to cooperate to this people! You can also go to live in Saridan if you are so interested into cooperation with terrorist and criminal that no esitated to arrest innocent people not accountable of no crimes!
Very very compliment! You want propose a treaty? Never will be approved! Never and never! We have values, we have the courage to stand against the injustice and abuse! And it is for this reason that so many Nations look at us with admirations and hope to become our friends! You really want sacrified the rest of the world for a band of criminals?
This will be the biggest error that this Government could make! "

Date20:44:29, February 02, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"And really this government want forget Renzo De Amicis? Do you remember Renzo De Amicis? The youg volunters killed by Saridan in cold blood? For what crime? He was in Saridan to bring aid and support to the weak and the oppressed and what you are doing now? Are you offer to cooperate with the Murders of Renzo De Amicis? Murders that you will assolve and that you will recognize them its right to opprese its own citizens for their skin colors or beliefs?
It's incredible! Go to demand to Maria De Amicis to cooperate to the murders of her son! Go to demand to the istalians horrified for the criminal action of Saridan! This Nation will no forgot this injustice, this assolution for the barbaric Saridan and will not forget this Government which want to be an accomplice of that terroristic rogue nation!"

Date21:08:01, February 02, 2017 CET
FromPartito dei Democratici Istaliani
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageVincenzo Marini, Leader of DI-U.o.L.:
"I am with the PSLI regarding the treaty with Saridan. With all the respect to the government's aim, I personally would not propose a treaty of "respect" with a nation that does not respect basic civil rights and confines citizens in concentration camps. This means that we recognize their behaviour as correct! We must bring back the peace within our nations, but we can't go down at their levels. For me and, I hope, for my party, Istalia can't recognize Saridan behaviour as clean and sign an alliance with them. We can sign a peace, but at our conditions!"

Date22:40:47, February 02, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMiChele Scialoja:

"Our condition shall be one: free our citizens and do not inpose anything! No negotiation with the terrorist! TAnd what peace? Since when we declared war against Saridan? There was an internal law of our Sovereign Nation!"

Date22:42:21, February 02, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageThank you to the usual lucidity of DI. Thhank you

Date23:38:31, February 02, 2017 CET
FromKomitee van die Nasionale Herstel
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageAs Minister of Justice, I can assure you that your citizens will be returned safely if you remove the embargo against us and promise to respect our sovereignty.

Secondly, we will remove the Anti-Istalia Acts if your nation apologies for its killing of 45 Saridani citizens and agrees to the above.

Finally, we agree to the outline of the treaty, provided that Istalia does not reinstate an embargo against Saridan.

Warm regards,
Adriaan Ewout, Minister of Justice
Yorick Reinier, Minister of Internal Affairs


Date23:58:55, February 02, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"Why not apologie also for Renzo De Amicis because he went up against the bullets of Saridan?"
And obviously this President think also to be legittimate to make promise for all the future political decision of the Nation?
Obviously this Government shall accept to never more "interfere" or, why not, talk in bad way about Saridan could also become a national law!
And Saridan shall be able to impose its will against a law voted by all the political forces of the nation only few years ago, voted by the representatives of the Istalian citizens, recognized as citizens able to vote only because their istalian nationality.
I have strong fubt that Saridan could oppose to us its "democracy" where are able to vote only those belong to the "right" ethnic group.
We want continue to be insulted in this way with Saridan that continue to demand with the knife under the throat of our citizens?
Molugno and this Government want really want to be remember as the weakest and the more afraid of our history? Those which genuflected before the pleasures of Saridan! "

Date00:01:54, February 03, 2017 CET
FromKomitee van die Nasionale Herstel
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMy party was not in existence at that time, so the point is moot. Regardless, I applaud the action of Domenico Molugno.

Adriaan Ewout, Saridani Minister of Justice



Date00:09:59, February 03, 2017 CET
FromKomitee van die Nasionale Herstel
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageI strongly encourage the political forces of Istalia to set aside their ideological stances and agree to this resolution so that we may defuse tensions.

Marnix Fabian, DV Leader

Date00:28:21, February 03, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"But you voted against the bill presented by the opposition to abolish the segregation. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=502543 . So we have to desume that you are pro the segregation. It isn't? so you demand us to supprime the values that makes great our country threatening 16 my compatriots! Very fair!"

Date01:43:13, February 03, 2017 CET
FromKomitee van die Nasionale Herstel
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageThe DV voted against it because we did not agree with a majority of the articles presented. If the majority of proposals were accepted by the DV, we would have voted yes. That said, we are a party of the Duntrekker, not other races or peoples.

Marnix Fabian, DV Leader


Date04:14:40, February 03, 2017 CET
From The new order / Yeni düzen
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageIt's stupid, just stupid. You want to accept being blackmailed? If you accepted this it will mean 1 of two things, first, you negotiate with terrorism, second, you say you was wrong.but we belive non of these is real.
You was in strong position;, but you accept to be blackmailed, now terroists will start to ask for more, apologies, mabye the will eventually ask for money.
The is not solution to the problem, you should think in real solution.

Jakanian foreign affairs office

Date05:45:07, February 03, 2017 CET
From Solentian Nationalist People's Party
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageWe only wish to be left alone. We have no quarrel with what Istalia does in its own country unless it hurts Saridan. We don't want money or more apologies. One apology for the 45 dead citizens of Saridan would be enough.

I have accepted the terms of this treaty and I am confident the Volksraad will as well. I once again encourage Istalia to pass this legislation so that we may put this behind us.

Marnix Fabian, DV Leader

Date05:45:43, February 03, 2017 CET
From Solentian Nationalist People's Party
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageOOC: Sorry, wrong account.

Date07:04:10, February 03, 2017 CET
From PLAK
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageIf I may speak here, We urge you to keep the embargo in place. Saridan has acted like this before, and lifting the embargo will only allow them to commit more crimes. Kanjor Has no intentions of lifting our sanctions, or embargoes against them.

Justine Derocles
Premier Ministre Of Kanjor

Date07:30:51, February 03, 2017 CET
From PLAK
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageIf I may speak here, We urge you to keep the embargo in place. Saridan has acted like this before, and lifting the embargo will only allow them to commit more crimes. Kanjor Has no intentions of lifting our sanctions, or embargoes against them.

Justine Derocles
Premier Ministre Of Kanjor

Date09:09:48, February 03, 2017 CET
FromPartito Ambientalista Socialista Istalia
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageWe respect always the President Molugno but we think that his stance is inadequate. It must resort to international arbitration and maintain economic sanctions. Saridan must be internationally sanctioned and, when they get back inside the minimum standards of human rights, we can return to consider it an interlocutor.

Date09:27:57, February 03, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"even VI and PSDI, namely pacifist parties, have clear the fact that here the reason is only by our part. Even VI and PSDI have clear the fact that Saridan can demand nothing to us given that our legislation affect only our economy and our citizens. VI and PSDI remember very well how all the Nation voted in favor of the Sanction and I remember very well the words of some of the reppresentatives of our citizens, like Mr Giuliotti which declared that "We must do something to stop them".
Yes, you ware reason: we must! And we did it! No military actions, no judicial or arbitrary actions against Saridanese citizens, nothing of comparable to the criminal act of the Government of Saridan.
Saridan could responde with counter sanctions, it would have been its right to do it and obviously we would have done nothing about such a decision. But they arrested and interned our compatriots, they hurted them, they obliged theme to forced labor, they killed an istalian citizens and obviosly they blakmailed us with the knife under the throat of our citizens!"

Date12:02:31, February 03, 2017 CET
FromPatriotic Party of Baltusia
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessagePresident Molugno, Honourable members of this House,

If I may speak. I would advise against this bill. It is clear if you pass this bill you are giving into blackmail and it sends out the wrong message to the rest of Terra. I am all for avoiding bloodshed and dragging other countries into this conflict but there are other ways to reach a solution.
Our country is working with Ambassador Magla in the Security Council to draft a resolution that will allow a mutli-national approach to this crisis. Please let that process run its course.

Thank you,
Patricia Grayson
Foreign Secretary of Baltusia


Date14:09:52, February 03, 2017 CET
FromPartito dei Democratici Istaliani
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageVincenzo Marini, Leader of DI-U.o.L.:
"DI-U.o.L. will vote for only if the treaty will be at Istalian conditions. Surely we can't accept that the Duntrekker Volksfront come here and say that WE must apologize for have killed 45 Saridan citizens! We can't allow that they come here and pretend to be in the strong position! So, the government must request at least at Saridan:
apologize for have kept more than 400 Istalian citizens in a concentration camp;
Return in Istalia of missing citizens;
A big refund for killed or tortured citizens ( I know, it cannot refund their families, but it has to be done)
Approve some laws that bring back at least basic civil rights in Saridan (liberty of expression, liberty of religion and more)
Say in a world communication (by the Saridan government) that they did wrong actions and their apologize for all their damage at world peace and economy.

Otherwise remove this proposal."

Date17:37:54, February 03, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"finally a serious and intelligent proposal! The PSLI support the proposal of Mr Marini. The remove of the sanctions have to follow to an amelioration of the internal condition in Saridan and formal apologies for their criminal actions!"

Date20:59:01, February 03, 2017 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessagePresident Molugno updated notice by placing the suggestions made by the Minister of Foreign Verdi. Now it will be the Minister of Foreign Affairs to continue the negotiations with the Saridan's government on behalf of the President.

signed,
the Office of the Presidency of the Republic

Date13:34:29, February 04, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"We could change the name in Verdi Act, as the foreign Minister, or Marini Act as the leader of DI

Date20:44:31, February 04, 2017 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageThe Saridan Government is voting for the liberation of our fellow citizens:

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=504011

Date10:48:36, February 05, 2017 CET
FromAlleanza Radicale - NCD
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageMichele Scialoja:

"We see that the Government do not segregate any more education and amenities. But it rest at least two other policies which affect seriously the citizens of Saridan:
The Government policy concerning granting citizenship whixh provides that citizenship is granted based on race/religion/gender and the Government continue to apply a discriminatory hiring policy.
Already so much was made, Saridan showed a good disponibility despite its Ambassador's declaretion. We could announce that we will disponible to reppeal the sanctions if Saridan showed its good dispositions on this matter.

Date11:22:42, February 06, 2017 CET
FromPartito Ambientalista Socialista Istalia
ToDebating the D.d.l. 02/60 - "Molugno Act" - Elimination of the embargo against the nation of Saridan
MessageWe vote for a sense of responsibility but we bind our vote in favor of compulsory creation of a Commission to verify the steps taken by Saridan towards civil rights. If the committee will fail we propose new sanctions.

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