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Bill: Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban
Details
Submitted by[?]: Government of Tropica
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4164
Description[?]:
| Because land mines often remain after a conflict, in which case they often end-up killing civilans. I suggest we ban the use of Land Mines by our military Union of Peace and Neutrality Female Co-Leader : Quinn Green |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed.
Proposed: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:59:59, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | It is in the best interests of defence of our nation that such matters are left for the army to decide. Defence Secretary William F. Mace |
| Date | 16:13:06, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | Does the minister of defence need to know how a land mines operate, cause we can tell him. You place the land mines somewhere, then someone step on it and it explose. on a war times, this is great. but after war, there is many land mines remaining in the ground, and civilian will step on them. I don't believe the army is ever justified in the death of civilians. |
| Date | 16:34:21, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | Thank you Madame Green, I have 20 years' combat experience with the Baltusian army, working my way up from the rank of fusilier to become Lieutenant Colonel of the 43rd Battalion of Athosian Riflemen, prior to getting involved in politics. I believe I may have received some training on how land mines operate and their impact on combat personnel and civilians. I also understand how strategic and tactical decisions need to be developed on a case by case basis. No plan survives contact with the enemy - a lesson I have learned in politics just as much during my time in the military, I might add! So you need as much flexibility in your arsenal as possible. Therefore, it is best to leave all options open to our military commanders. Don't give your enemy any advantages - keep them guessing. Why give them definitive proof that we haven't laid land mines on a border they are trying to cross. Whether we have or haven't if they are uncertain it slows their advance and gives us time to establish a better defence and we lose fewer troops. Defence Secretary William F. Mace |
| Date | 16:43:49, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | Mr Mace. I think we agree on the usefull on land mines during war, which is not my point, my point is what become those things after war. they cost fortune to remove. we must send someone with special equipment to detect and deactivated each land mines will plan on our own territories. We don't see why good military option should come with civilian sacrifice. And I mention the occasion where land mines are laid on ennemy territories, after war, these mines are normally forgotten, except by the unfortunate civilian who happen to step on them. And we never mentionned the idea of sharing plans to the army, we simply want to prevent the army from killing people who don't take part in armed conflict, a Soldier can die. but civilians should never dies. Union of Peace and Neutrality Female Co-Leader : Quinn Green |
| Date | 10:54:56, February 09, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | Point understood, Madame Green, Maybe we should stipulate in this bill conditions under which the military can and can't use land mines without special consent from the President as commander in chief? These could include mining in "enemy territory" and in and around heavily populated civilian areas. I still believe we should give the military as much flexibility as possibly. If defence of our sovereignty, our territory and our way of life comes down to tactically laying land mines to control an enemy advance I would take the land mine option every day. Defence Secretary William F. Mace |
| Date | 17:28:43, February 09, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | I disagree, if we need to stop the ennemy advance, we can do this without land, by construction borders that are hard to pass by land. We have other choices Also, we fail to why nations who come at war with Baltusia, if we have so much success in maintening peace. But in a moral point. it is Immoral to have civil die in wars or in peace due to things we placed in time of war, Our military have no reason, not a single one, to sacrifice a civilian one. We value the lives of every civilians. Union of Peace and Neutrality Female Co-Leader : Quinn Green |
| Date | 20:27:45, February 09, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 31 : Land Mines Ban |
| Message | Madame Green, But also please value the lives of soldiers that protect those citizens - please do not strip the military of tactical and strategic options that will help them and all the innocent people they are trained to protect too. Defence Secretary William F Mace |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 269 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 358 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow real-life brand names (eg. Coca Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft). However, in the case of military equipment brand names it is permitted to use simple number-letter combinations (eg. T-90 and F-22) borrowed from real life, and also simple generic names, like those of animals (eg. Leopard and Jaguar). |
| Random quote: "Politics is perhaps the only profession for which no preparation is thought necessary." - Robert Louis Stevenson |