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Bill: OOC: Constitutional Amendments?
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Submitted by[?]: United National Congress
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4235
Description[?]:
| Seeing Pontesi's generally a blank slate, what would be everyone's thoughts on establishing a backstory for the country, and some constitutional amendments such as a new flag etc, so we can effectively "start again"? |
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Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:36:32, February 15, 2017 CET | From |  Metzism movement party of Pontesi | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Yes true, you can also add that has aready happened like the army of equality, something with selucians.. |
| Date | 14:19:01, February 15, 2017 CET | From | United National Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Perhaps. Would be nice to get a definite culture and so forth laid out |
| Date | 17:10:55, February 15, 2017 CET | From | Social-Nationalist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Yes, in terms of culture I think that there should be a selucian minority though As for starting again in terms of constitution etc. I'm all for that |
| Date | 19:57:17, February 15, 2017 CET | From | Metzism movement party of Pontesi | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Me to we should agree a story and someone with knowledge of wiki (hint: brexiteer2) shoud write it. I do like the idea of the Spap with the selco-potensian miniority and maybe have it a specific region. Because i woud like to rp gouvernors in the game, if you all agree ofcourse. With the elections you can see who did best in the region and the best party of that region would hold a senator or gouvernor. Afterbthat we could decide how to rp the power of gouvernors. |
| Date | 01:03:05, February 17, 2017 CET | From | United National Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | A Selucian minority is workable. I don't see the need of a certain religion however, given the generally diverse populace here. Also I think we should have Luthorian as the official language here, mostly as it's easier due to our names all being English, and will just make things run smoother in general. Perhaps we could RP Luthori invaded centuries ago. Also the Selucian minority could be a result of yet another ancient invasion, perhaps similar to the Roman empire. I seem to recall on the wiki I saw we were a part of an empire at one point. Governors are workable, we have/had them in Dorvik, but we seem to have given up eventually xD As for constitutional change I think that'd be a good idea, the goal could be to sort that out before the next election. |
| Date | 15:58:12, February 17, 2017 CET | From | Metzism movement party of Pontesi | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Yes and hindu culture then? |
| Date | 00:06:33, February 21, 2017 CET | From | Nrljogadé Prta | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | Hey guys, sorry if I'm intruding, but I have a couple of things I'd like to point out as a long-term PT player, even though I've never played in Pontesi. First off, I think making Pontesi largely Indian is a wonderful idea, considering Indian culture is largely unrepresented in the game; there have been attempts to establish it in other nations, but none of them succeeded, and Pontesi might be a very suitable place to introduce it long-term. The nation is close to Malivia, which was once PT's India but is now Afro-Caribbean with an Indo-Caribbean minority, and neighbors Barmenia to the South, which, while culturally open as well, is generally based on Persianate Turkic/Central Asian culture (a major historical influence on the Subcontinent). If you are curious about the overall historical background of the continent of Majatra, which might also give you some idea on how to harmonize Pontesi's history with that of neighboring nations, you can check this wiki page: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Majatra Also, although Pontesi is currently culturally open, meaning among other things that any culture is allowed, it would be a good idea to check the previous Cultural Protocols of this nation: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=462601 None of that is binding, but it might give you an idea of what previous players had in mind when playing in this nation. It might also be useful to check out this forum discussion, which ultimately helped produce the previous Cultural Protocols of Pontesi before the nation was declared Culturally Open: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6469 Now, all of this might not fit in very well with an Indian culture at first glance, but there are ways of reinterpreting Pontesi to make everything fit in together. As Brexiteer noted, Pontesi was once part of an Empire - specifically it was part of the Cildanian Hegemony (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Cildanian_Hegemony), largely based on the Carthaginian Empire but playing the role of the Roman Republic/Early Roman Empire in Majatran history. You could model Cildanian rule in Pontesi on the Indo-Greeks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom), which had a combo of classical Mediterranean and Indian cultures, and preserve the Seluco-Ponteans that way. Modern-day Seluco-Ponteans could be modeled on Luso-Indians if you are so inclined. You could also introduce small numbers of Saint Thomas Christians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians) to create a link with the Kathurans (based on Assyrians) from Barmenia, as well as some Cochin Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews) to link with Jewish-themed Beiteynu. And of course you could, if you were so inclined, maintain a small Jelbic minority. Pontesi used to be part of the so-called Jelbosphere, a group of nations roughly based on Central Asian steppe cultures, speaking Jelbic, a conlang created specifically for Particracy by an old player, IdioC. Since in RL the Subcontient has a very large Islamic population with some historical links to Central Asia it might be cool to retain a number of Jelbic-speaking Ahmadis, whom you could call Pntek and model on Islamic Desi peoples. If you want assistance with the Jelbic language I would be most happy to help. Although, considering the relative inaccessibility of the language, I wouldn't recommend a Jelbic population higher than 5-10%. And again, sorry if I'm speaking out of turn or intruding here. I love the work all of you have put into Pontesi and I'm eager to see where you guys will be taking this nation :) |
| Date | 13:42:30, July 02, 2017 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the OOC: Constitutional Amendments? |
| Message | OOC: Moved to vote for archiving purposes. |
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Total Seats: 100 |
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