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Bill: Important Cabinet Meeting
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Submitted by[?]: Majatran Socialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2187
Description[?]:
| The Grand Vizier, Hafez al-Assad, has called a meeting of the cabinet. Can all cabinet members please try to attend. Non-cabinet members please dont post IC and dont use these messages, you will be ignored. The Grand Majelis has security. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:58:28, February 08, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Once all the Viziers are settled around the long, oak table, Hafez al-Assad rises from his chair. "The situation is desperate in Agundi. The Unionist militia's have been more successful than we had hoped in seizing infrastructure. I have learned 4 large towns, many smaller villages and street-fights are intensifying in Dar al Salam. Our faith in the current government had been wavering, but we feel national unity is absolutely paramount during this troubling time. Does any Vizier wish to speak?" Al-Assad paused, before sinking into his seat. |
| Date | 00:09:54, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Fatima Ul-Haq rose, bowing to the other viziers. "We've had some differences of opinion over religion and economics, certainly," she said, ignoring al-Assad's implied rebuke. If her face was not hidden below a veil, though, he might have seen her glare. "But my party will pledge its support to the Grand Vizier in this emergency situation. Normally the UPU would oppose a repressive policy, but the Unionists have gone too far this time." |
| Date | 08:52:28, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Voice of the People, Mahmmoud Ghali, stood up and began, "Indeed, unity is vital if we are to stand up to these bullies, we encourage all viziers to encourage their parties to set aside their differences and stand together. Having said that, I must ask if we can handle the situation on our own without calling for outside support?" |
| Date | 16:58:51, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Council | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | All eyes turned to the Internal Affairs Minister, Mohammad Tayyar. Tayyar stood up, with a grim look on his face. "I would not like to say this outside the cabinet room, but I am uncertain we can. The unrest has gone national, with major disturbances breaking out in all of the Muhafazah. The police and army are unreliable in this time, as they are rife with Unionist activity. We can propose legislation giving them more powers, but this will play into the rebels hands. The nation is descending into anarchy, with armed clashes taking place all of the nation, and noone has the upper hand. It is not just the Unionists, various pressure groups and organised crime gangs have turned militant. As I have explained, we do not have complete control over the police and the army. Perhaps it is time to ask some of our SOTO allies for help." |
| Date | 20:43:27, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | At the words "SOTO allies," foreign affairs vizier Salim Alghabra caught Al-Assad eye, asking for permission to speak. Once recognized, he said: "If this is necessary, then certainly the Majatran mutual defence pact permits it. I would suggest we do not at this time request any support from states that have not signed this treaty. Non-Majatran troops on our soil would only inflame the situation. I also recommend we not invoke our defecne agreement with Dundorf. Finally, I must report that although Deltaria is currently an ally, the situation there concerns me greatly. They are no longer governed by a toitalitarian coalition, but their new government appears to be a gang of free-market fundamentalists. They might at their next election return to totalitarian control. I would not trust theirt troops in Al'Badara, they are jsut as likely to help the Unionist militas as they are to help us." He cleared his throat. "I wish we could do this with our own armed forces. We certainly spend enough on them. But if the respsonsible viziers feel we need foreign help, then I am prepared to ask for it from all Majatran defence pact signatories except Deltaria. Selucia, Kafuristan and possibly Beiteynu are probably our best bets." |
| Date | 01:11:59, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Ahmad Ali Al Sayegh, the Defence Minister, cleared his throat and all the Viziers fell silent to look at him. His crooked teeth formed a sinister smile. "Comrades, the situation is not as bad as our friend Mohammad Tayyar would suggest. As you may know, the military is heavily populated with Ba'athists. (ooc- figures as we are the most militarist party and most unionists would join the militia rather than the army) This means we command a certain loyalty within the ranks of our armed forces, and have, shall I say, the means to root out dissenters. The same cannot be said of the civilian police, however. Therefore, I propose that, before the situation esculates into full blown civil war, we call a state of national emergency - drafting in the army to do police work, enforcing curfews and the such like. Of course, as soon as the militia is defeated, disarmed and peace is restored we understand that we shall revoke such powers. I feel this is the only way out of this terrible situation." |
| Date | 09:36:02, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | The Voice of the People shifted uncomfortly, "Are every other means have been tried? I am not too excited about open warefare or a state of emergency, what about negotiating with the Unionists? What are their exact demands, anyway? Maybe a comprimise can be worked out?" |
| Date | 09:41:09, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | He oulled out a report and read: "1. A state Declaration that the Patriot Front is Legal and the state shall not interfere in it's workings. 2. Increased funding for poor Rural mountain areas. " Perhaps we can issue the declaration, but insist that the front's activities be supervised by the millitary to ensure that they are legal?" |
| Date | 10:00:17, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | (OOC: From now on I am going to check the forum before sending messages) If this maniac, Gasarin, can represent what we are dealing with, then I daresay that negotiation could be not an option... |
| Date | 12:55:46, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | However I still direct the cabinet to seek out those in the Unionsits who do not want violence and destruction and see if a deal can be worked out. I also urge my government not to take any drastic actions just yet. |
| Date | 18:07:06, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | After lighting a fat Cuban cigar, al-Assad rose and spoke again. "Naturally, I agree with my fellow party member, Vizier Al Sayegh. I shall be putting a proposal before the Grand Majelis, I shall leave it to yourselves as to whether you support or not. As you may know, the amnesty has run its duration with only 27 people responding. The Unionists have made their choice. It is time for action." |
| Date | 18:12:29, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | "I would also like to make a proposition to our honourable Foreign Vizier. You may have noticed the Unionists increase in seats occurred when they used populist tactics to gain votes from people who would otherwise be disgusted by their politics. I propse we make a foreign treaty called the 'Al'Badari Constitution' which limits the amount of free market policies that can be proposed, for instance allowing only the 2 or 3 most regulated options. As we cannot entrench legislation nationally, this would be the only way of limiting the Unionists tactics. Their casual voters would abandon them," al-Assad finished. |
| Date | 21:49:59, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | I ask negotiaters, if there are no objections from anybody, to suggest the following to the unionists: "How about having the millitia's actions supervised by the Agundi Municipal Council? or as an alternative a seperate special council that holds one representative from each of the Unionist party, the Interior Ministry, the Defence Ministry and an official elected directly by the people of Agundi?" any other alternatives are welcome |
| Date | 11:29:35, February 11, 2006 CET | From | Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | John Paul, Minister for Health and Social Services spoke for the first time. "Violence should be a last resort. I propose preperation for a non-peaceful resolution but maintain talks with Unionists as long as we can. If there is no other way out, agreed on by the cabinet, we should use force. We do not think, honourable Voice of the People, that this is the correct course. It will insight hate into them, they do not want to be controlled. The BMSP has an idea that could work, but we are not too sure whether it would halt them." |
| Date | 17:35:04, February 11, 2006 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Alghabra nodded at the request to draft a treaty. "I should be happy to do so," he answered. "But let us also be aware that the people seem to want looser government controls in some areas. It is not a desire that can be entirely legislated away." |
| Date | 18:10:32, February 11, 2006 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Here is the treaty draft, which could be propsoed as a government constitutional amendment. It has a lot of articles, leaves plenty of wriggle room short of absolute privatization, locks in basic civil liberties in a few areas (right to strike etc) and Al'Badara is in compliance with all proposed articles. I have left local govt option open for all proposals. Any changes before it goes to ratification stage? |
| Date | 02:44:36, February 12, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Al-Assad slammed his fist on the table. "From the apologists to the appeasers, we dont feel we can work within this government any more. I was unhappy with the reforms carried out before this crisis, but was willing to work with other parties. However, I dont want to be remembered as the Grand Vizier who watched Al'Badara burn. Our plans to bring the crisis to an end were met with resistance until they have proved futile and mere lip-service to stopping the rebellion. My party is leaving the government. And dont forget, we are taking most of the army with us". Al-Assad, flanked by Ibrahim Pasha and Ahmad Ali Al Sayegh marched out of the cabinet room. |
| Date | 13:46:28, February 12, 2006 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Council | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | In the stunned silence that followed, Mohammad Tayyar quickly rose to his feet. "This government is on the verge of collapse. We shall withdraw our support, and we urge the Majelis to call for early elections to work out a new coalition." Tayyar left the room. |
| Date | 15:37:38, February 12, 2006 CET | From | Al'Badaran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Mahmmoud Ghali, Voice of the People, appeared on national Television to address claims on that the DRP had conspired with the BMSP to disarm the Patriot Front by Force and the recent resignation of the BMSP ministers: "Greetings my fellow citizens, Earlier the Patriotic Front has issued accusations that my party -the DRP- has conspired with the BMSP to use force to clamp down on the activities of the paramillitary group. I stand before you today to state that these claims are absolutely and postively FALSE, or to be accurate misguided. I, The person who stands before you, Mahmmoud Ali Ghali, have acted upon my own accord -without the knowledge of the any members of my party- and have set a plan to disarm -BUT not to disband- the paramillitary group known as the Patriotic Front NOT by Force but with dialogue in the form of a bill in the Grand Majlis which would be consequently debated upon, comprimises made and voted against and for. I also state the claims that I have been planning with the BMSP are also FALSE, as I never been in contact with any members of the BMSP other than the Grand Vizier (who as Head of Government and a more knowledgable person in the history of Al'Badara I naturally seek his counsel and place great trust in him) and the Defence minister. Why the defence minister? one (or I daresay many) would ask? Because there seemed a chance that the Paramillitary group would resort to arms as soon as the bill was proposed rather than discuss it, resulting in an incident like the one experienced earlier but perhaps more severe. My intentions were from the begining was for promotion of the use of words, peaceful dialogue and comprimises in the future of Al'Badara rather than use of guns while talking to get a point through, something which may be embodied in the events which took place earlier in the Grand Majlis. Needless to say I failed miserably, but before I invoke a no-confidence vote in my abillities in the Grand Majlis, "I would like to outline the events as I believe happened: 1-I sent a message to ask advice from the Grand Vizier and I told him that: "I plan on drafting a bill to disarm the Unionists Armed Wing and I would like to know your opinions on this." please note I specificly told him a bill which would go into the Grand Majlis for voting. 2-I recieved a reply commending my decision and assuring me that any violence that breaks out because of this decision can be handled by security forces. 3-I sent another message to the Grand Vizier to inform him of one of many comprimises I intend to make to the Unionists party. 4-Before I recieve reply, I was suprised to hear of the Unionists uprising and asked the the Grand Vizier to forget about my plans and to focus on the Uprising not knowing at the time the Unionists knew my plans and misunderstood them as an attempt to use force against them. 5-Upon hearing the Unionist claims I started to get suspicious, my suspicion doubled when I heard that the BMSP had found a spy in their party and the whole party had acknowledged itself one of the counter-parts of a plan described by the Unionists. It was then I knew that the Grand Vizier had, incompetently or intentionally, talked of the sensitive subject outside of my confidence. 6-I contacted my suspicions to a trusted person, who warned me not to trust the BMSP defence minister and Grand Vizier fully with the State of Emergency if declared and asked the forign minister, being a skilled diplomat to seek negotiations as much as possible without comprimising our position. 7-Shortly afterwards, despite passing legislation for the emergency measures, all BMSP ministers resigned their offices and appear to be mustring millitary force, the trusted person who I spoke with earlier have disappeared. In conclusion, there is strong evidence that senior members of the BMSP have intentionally let sensitive information slip, leading to the Unionist uprising, and when a state of emergency that allowed the BMSP great power was changed to allow more civillian government control and negotiations were pursued to avoid bloodshed (which by the way appears to yet to occur) all BMSP members resigned and seeked millitary support. Finally, I repeat I have acted alone without the knowledge of my party, I have never contacted any member from the BMSP other than the ministers in my cabinet, I have placed my trust in the wrong person. I direct the Grand Majlis to hold a vote of no confidence in my a billities as Voice of People and ask the Unionists and the BMSP to choose their moves carefully for the sake of the nation. Goodnight and God Bless" |
| Date | 18:08:06, February 12, 2006 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | "The Grand Vizier has no confidence in his own government? Then it's entirely his own fault, as head of government," Fatima Ul-Haq said. "We have no choice but to resign from Assad's government, then." Alghabra sat almost alone in the chamber. "I guess no one wants my treaty then," he said, plaintively. |
| Date | 01:04:32, February 13, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | An extract from the United Majatran Herald (for non-forum members) Al'Badara crumbles With the collapse of the government, the army and the police Al'Badara has become a hotbed of rioting, looting and organised crime. Militant political groups have taken advantage of this to dominate areas of the nation. Agundi is almost entirely under Unionist control, and the Ba'ath Party has set up what it describes as a 'stabilising transitional government' in Gharki. These Muhafazah are the lucky ones, as the parties that are in control have managed to stop the looting and rioting that has infested the rest. In many area's organised crime gangs have established monoplies thanks to the lack of police or military presence. Gangsters that used to fight have met to divide the spoils of the anarchy in Al'Badara. ooc - I feel this is entirely realistic based upon what has occured, and think it would be cool to RP a 'nation in anarchy' with the inevitability of the Axis trying to restore order lol. If anyone doesnt want to I'll tone the report down |
| Date | 22:52:34, February 16, 2006 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Important Cabinet Meeting |
| Message | Gone to vote for archive purposes. Vote or dont, doesnt matter. |
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