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Bill: RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konservative Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4197
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, We propose a comprehensive reform of our administrative division which now consist of 5 Federal States and 168 Counties. The proposed system which keeps the federal states and counties in place but establishes a new level of division - Province (Provinz). Each state will be divided into 4 provinces (ooc: from the four main cities in each state listed in the game, I thought our flags and coa needed a re-freshment). Administrative division map: https://i.imgsafe.org/241f832a23.png Federal State: Kordusia Flag: https://i.imgsafe.org/21434091f9.png Coat of Arms: https://i.imgsafe.org/21445afec3.png Federal State: Miktar Flag: https://i.imgsafe.org/21449e42ea.png Coat of Arms: https://i.imgsafe.org/21452af925.png Federal State: Largonia Flag: https://i.imgsafe.org/21460cd44f.png Coat of Arms: https://i.imgsafe.org/21469bae60.png Federal State: Dorvan Flag: https://i.imgsafe.org/2146cd937d.png Coat of Arms: https://i.imgsafe.org/21477284a3.png Federal State: Westmark Flag: https://i.imgsafe.org/2147d543ca.png Coat of Arms: https://i.imgsafe.org/2148a01ce4.png |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:14:42, April 15, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC:-I support,but as Haldor is already a separate entity with a semi provincial status,my question is,is the Haldor District being expanded? |
| Date | 17:20:32, April 15, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: Ok, I\'m going to re-arrange the map and will keep Haldor and Fairfax as separate entities. |
| Date | 17:22:39, April 15, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC:-Okay great job with the map,by the way! |
| Date | 17:55:14, April 15, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: MAP UPDATED |
| Date | 00:38:16, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Soziale Nationalistische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: Why not use what's already been done with them? They are each characterized already, I wouldn't support something like this. |
| Date | 00:44:13, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Soziale Nationalistische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: Also, Dorvan would never use the Fleur-de-Lis as it's not a Prussian or German symbol. I have no idea what the heck is going on with Largonia's flag. Miktar is close to what it is, but should be left. Kordusia is based off of a Germanized-Silesia and I've never seen that coat of arms before so, no. Westmark is based off of a Germanized Denmark or a very Northern Germany. None of those flags are representative of that. |
| Date | 09:09:05, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: first of all, the fags we use now are simple, boring and generic, they do not have any interesting elements, so they are not characterized whatsoever. First of all fleur-de-lis is not a german symbol or a prussian one, but it's a symbol of monarchy, royalty and in the catholic church it is a symbol of the virgin marry and it is the medieval symbol of knighthood and since the cultural protocol states that Dorvan is the home of dorvish monarchy and it's the most religious region in game I see no reason not to use this symbol. As for the largonian flag, the current flag is the resemblance of the Ukrainian flag and I do not understand why, the flag I proposed is based on the North Rhine-Westphalia which is known for its coal mines and since Largonia is the region rich in coal and other natural resources, I thought it would be RP wise to base it on NRW (Germany) flag. "Miktar is close to what it is, but should be left" - that sounded like you have some kind of authority over it... It is up to all players. Very Norhtern Germany is Schleswig Holstein which Dorvan is based on. Westmark if it's based on Denmark I see no reason why not to use this flag as the danish flag is also a white cross with red background. |
| Date | 09:14:09, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: you are once again showing us your patronizing behavior with statements like "Dorvan would never use", "but should be left", "none of the flags are representatives of that" - based only on your opinion. They are based on their respective real-life equivalents. Please note that this is only a game and we have the say in creating it as well. |
| Date | 09:41:29, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: but anyway I will prepare the new proposal for Dorvan flag and coa |
| Date | 09:45:12, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | Dorvan: Flag 2: https://i.imgsafe.org/320a761706.png CoA 2: https://i.imgsafe.org/320a695c05.png |
| Date | 15:25:47, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Soziale Nationalistische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: So much for cooperation. |
| Date | 15:37:31, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: 5 against 2. That's fairly democratic. |
| Date | 15:55:28, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: you seem to understand co-operation by agreeing only for your ideas and proposals |
| Date | 16:43:13, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Soziale Nationalistische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: Nope but since you want to play it like this, I'll handle it in my field of RP. |
| Date | 16:44:49, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: We definitely don't want to not include you, But sometimes it's just clear it's going one way with most of us. |
| Date | 17:28:32, April 16, 2017 CET | From | Soziale Nationalistische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: It's fine, I'll do my RP and have justification for stuff! |
| Date | 21:28:41, April 17, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | ooc: one of the players raised concerns about the validity of this vote and said that he believes this is a constitutional amendment (which I believe isn't) and that we should apply constitutional majority in order to pass it. I messaged the moderation about this issue. In numerous countries administrative division is determined by a normal bill and is passed with normal majority, but I'm waiting for the moderation response. In case this bill needs constitutional majority, I will put this bill into vote once again and I ask the parties to support it, once again it will replace boring and generic flags with some interesting graphics. |
| Date | 23:16:18, April 17, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: There's already a super majority for this one, though. So does it really matter? |
| Date | 06:59:25, April 18, 2017 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: Hello, I'm afraid Auditor2 is correct on this. Rule 22.1 of the Game Rules is the relevant rule covering this. ''22. Role-play laws. Laws outlined in bill descriptions but not specified in game mechanic proposals are known as "role-play laws" or "RP laws" and are recognised under the rules as binding. 22.1. Constitutional RP laws require a 2/3rds majority, just like game mechanic constitutional laws." Flags are changed with a two thirds majority in the hardcoded national laws so the same should apply to regions and cities etc, However the coat of arms are not covered by game mechanics are not covered by game mechanics so a simple majority is fine for those one. We get the point about real life laws and you will notice this discrepancy in a number of other constitutional laws but we have to put the game mechanics first whenever there's a dispute between RP law and the provisions of game mechanics. This includes the majorities that are required to pass a law. Thus only the part about coat of arms will be recognised as binding, you will have to garner a two thirds majority of ALL seats in order to change the sub-national flags in a binding manner. Regards, Reddy (Moderation) |
| Date | 07:14:34, April 18, 2017 CET | From | Moderation | To | Debating the RP: Administrative Division Reform of April 4196 |
| Message | OOC: A constitutional majority is also required for re-organisation of administrative divisions since one is required for changing the official title alone of such divisions which is a form of re-organisation in itself. see - http://classic.particracy.net/viewvariable.php?variable=REGION -Reddy (Moderation) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 333 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 53 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 119 |
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| Random quote: "Prejudices subsist in people's imagination long after they have been destroyed by their experience." - Ernest Dimnet |