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Bill: Extradition Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4202
Description[?]:
| Mister Speaker, All criminals are horrible, even when they come from Dorvik. The nationality of a criminal shouldn't be an issue if he or she has caused considerable damage in another nation, which is why we propose that we will extradite anyone, even Dorvikians, unless they are extradited to a country without any respect for human rights. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The terms of extradition.
Old value:: The law bars the government from extraditing anyone who is a citizen of the state.
Current: Extradition to nations with capital punishment or with cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects and convicts is not allowed.
Proposed: Extradition to nations that practice cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects or in punishment is not allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:04:31, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, Could the Nay-side explain their vote? |
| Date | 18:06:37, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, If someone breaks the law as an immigrant, it is their responsibility. Tirza Sommer Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 18:09:16, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, This isn't about immigrants, this is about Dorvish citizens fleeing to Dorvik after they commit horrendous crimes in foreign lands. Just think about a Dorvish man who kills a family in Aloria and then returns to Dorvik. According to the laws we currently have, we can't send him to Aloria to face punishment. Isn't that ridiculous? Jürgen Rotstein |
| Date | 18:11:15, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, on what ground you believe that they are not punished? Yes they are, but they are punished here in Dorvik. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 18:15:04, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, They wouldn't be extradited, but they'd be charged here if they were a citizen. Tirza Sommer Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 18:15:08, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, How can we possibly provide someone with a fair trial here in Dorvik if said person is being persecuted in another country? All the evidence is abroad, all the eyewitnesses are abroad, all the defendants and prosecutors are supposed to be abroad. And also think about his victims, who will never be able to see the face of the man or woman who hurt them so much without doing enormous amounts of work to get a ticket to come all the way here to Dorvik. Jürgen Rotstein |
| Date | 18:17:07, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Surprise, surprise, but we would co-operate with the foreign government. We would sort something out for witnesses to travel free, and evidence can easily be shipped over. Tirza Sommer Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 18:19:03, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, Have you ever heard about thing called Judicary and Investigative Authorities international co-operation. Those evidence may easily acquired by our authorities. Mr. Rotstein I will not answer to you emotional irrelevant arguments. Law is simple and there is no place for sentimentality. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 18:21:16, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, You act like this is all so easy, but it is way easier to just send the perpetrator to the country he damaged. What if something goes wrong with the evidence during the travelling? What if the foreign government isn't so co-operative as you think? What if the witnesses aren't able to come to us because they aren't physically able to? Any trial based on foreign crimes on Dorvish soil would be a farce. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 18:31:25, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Uruqhart, you'd do it the way it is easier to do so, I am doing it the way it is just and fair toward our citizens. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 18:32:51, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Why would a foreign government not work with us if there's a crime in their country? And there's something called social media. If the witness can't get in front of a web-cam and give evidence they couldn't attend any trial. Tirza Sommer Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 18:36:10, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, There are way too many logistical issues attached to Miss Sommer's view on how trials should work if the crime happened in foreign lands. An eyewitness's body language is also important, but you can't see it that well via a webcam, for example. Things like this would make a fair trial basically impossible. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 18:36:11, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, There are way too many logistical issues attached to Miss Sommer's view on how trials should work if the crime happened in foreign lands. An eyewitness's body language is also important, but you can't see it that well via a webcam, for example. Things like this would make a fair trial basically impossible. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 18:37:25, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, The Chancellor is doing it the fair way: He's doing it the fair way for Dorvish criminals, who will have to take no effort to defend themselves in these courts where there's no evidence and no eye witness accounts against him or her. Good job. Jürgen Rotstein |
| Date | 18:42:50, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, I'm afraid that every time Mrs. Sommer or I tell you that we co-operate with foreign judiciary institutions you hit the "off" button on your hearing air. The law offenders and criminals are the subject to the law and are the subject to punishment as in any other country. If a foreign country provides our judiciary system with sufficient evidence, offender face a punishment, It's really simple Mr. Rotstein, and I recommend leaving the button on the "on" position. Laurent Scherzginer, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 22:00:18, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, There's no chance to convince you, but do know that you have blood on your hands if someone evades prison because we wanted to keep our " national sovereignty " instead of giving the criminal to the country he or she damaged. These courts will be a joke. Jürgen Rotstein |
| Date | 22:08:51, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, If you think you'll impress anyone with this "blood on your hands" gibberish. Guess what? You're wrong. Wrong. You're not only trying to undermine our sovereignty, but you also accuse our judiciary of incompetence and ineffectiveness. I must tell you Mr. Rotstein... You're very brave... statement like this at the beginning of the campaign. But at least you're honest. You undermine our country and its capability to exercising its powers. Not only you do that but you want to give up dorvish citizens into the hands of foreign countries. Mr. Rotstein, with people like you in the DAF we don't have to run the campaign, you do it for us. And we thank you for that! Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 22:32:58, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, Mister Scherzinger back at it again with calling people traitors. This isn't about OUR judiciary and its effectiveness, it is about the logistical problems attached to performing a trial about a crime that could be committed on a whole different continent. Those who are involved could be speaking another language, we could lose evidence, we could lose eyewitnesses, etc. I laugh at your whole " I am the fair person " story, because you basically want to embrace Dorvish criminals just because they are Dorvish. Criminals are criminals, good Sir. The way you butcher your political credibility, that's the real crime here. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 22:47:13, April 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, Only in your mind this logistical procedure of evidence exchange is problematic. I assure you, only in your mind. Maybe that's why there is a faculty called logistics and people go to universities in order to acquire knowledge helpful in combating those problems you know? I am glad you feel entertained. Dorvish citizen is a dorvish citizen, good sir. My god, I'll set up a fund called "Let Rotstein Study Logistics" which will allow you to get along with all those difficult logistics you are talking about. Man, we live in a technologically advanced country, people speak another language, there are specialized translators who are responsible for translation, I won't list all of your absurdities here... Die wahre Krankheit der Dorvik ist soeben eingetroffen und ist Cholera genannt! Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 09:21:37, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, I actually studied logistics. That's why I know how problematic it could be. Oops? OOC: I've actually studied Operations Management and Logistics for a while. Jürgen Rotstein |
| Date | 09:26:23, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Rotstein, Yeah I bet you did. Of course. But apparently you did not graduate. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 10:04:26, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, You do understand that the resources of two governments are greater than that of a private business? Rotstein Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 11:39:10, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Speaker, Private companies usually don't have an army of bureaucrats in the way. But alright, the DZ Coalition seems to know it all so well, so we will let them do their thing. No reasons to listen to people with expertise. I believe that we made our point, quite unfortunate that this Act won't pass however. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 11:49:03, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr. Urquhart, This "expertise" you are talking about is just your point of view. Our justice system is well equipped with means to prosecute and try criminals who committed crimes abroad. Courts in Dorvik try suspects as if they had committed the crime within the dorvish borders. Your "expertise" is very interesting... but we are not interested with it. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 12:48:52, April 26, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Extradition Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Expertise? I'll have you know I've been a member of this house for 9 years. I think I know my policies. Tirza Sommer Minister of Justice Leader of the Pragmatic Party OOC: It should say 'Tirza Sommer' not 'Rotstein' in the last message. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 216 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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