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Bill: Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konservative Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4203
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, I ask the federal assembly to re-appoint my previous cabinet. I ask you to vote over a motion of confidence. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Scherzinger. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:43:21, April 28, 2017 CET | From |  Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Speaker, As the GLP is the major victor of this election, we'd rather see them try to form something before the KU tries again. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 22:46:00, April 28, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr. Urquhart, and I'd rather see you do the maths, the previous cabinet still has the support of the majority in the Federal Assembly and therefore we will not sit and wait for the GLP to propose a minority cabinet. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 22:48:33, April 28, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | ooc: mistake in the title, it's supposed to be Scherzinger's cabinet |
| Date | 23:01:31, April 28, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Speaker, I don't care how many seats you have. It's about parliamentary etiquette: the winner goes first. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 23:18:44, April 28, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr. Urquhart, I don't expect you to support my cabinet but please... you are the last person to instruct anyone on the parliamentary etiquette. And where does this 'parliamentary etiquette' of 'winner goes first'. I'm afraid that only in your mind it is an actual rule. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 23:26:48, April 28, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr Urquhart, Actually, by the constitution, anyone can go first. And being the largest party in a many-party state doesn't make you the winner. Elise Harig Minister for Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 00:30:11, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Speaker, It's an informal rule, but one that many countries and parties adhere. The GLP has been the absolute winner in this election, winning almost 40 seats, not only making them the biggest winner but also the largest party. We gave the KU the privilege to try to form a government first last time, didn't we? This government would have my full support if you didn't rule out the opportunity for the GLP to form a government instead. It's almost like it is greed for power. Besides, since we're speaking about parliamentary etiquette: The members of the PP and KU address members of this parliament directly, while they should be speaking via the speaker. Besides: I have never received any warnings by the CFTA like others in my party, while mister Scherzinger has, so I don't understand what the honourable Chancellor means when he says that I am the last person to instruct anyone on parliamentary etiquette. I'd recommend that the Federal Chancellor refrains from lecturing me ever again, seeing that he does not posses enough knowledge about this subject himself. Thank you, Speaker. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 00:34:15, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr Urquhart, If it's informal we don't have to adhere to it. Gaining the most and being the largest party is not grounds for going first to form a cabinet when you cannot get one. The KU went first because it was the only party that could form a government. As a federal assembly in a republic, we don't need to address the speaker during a one-on-one debate. Considering you celebrated a pitiful 16 seats in may, while we entered parliament with over 80, shows that you can't lecture anyone about what is proper or justified. Elise Harig Minister for Foreign Affairs Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 00:40:36, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr. Urquhart, I repeat only in your mind those are the actual rules. The last time we proposed the cabinet first because our alliance won the election and we've had a working cabinet proposal. It's our duty to rule out impaired laws and proposals. Since it is not possible for the GLP to form a majority cabinet we ask the Federal Assembly to re-appoint this cabinet which has the support of the majority in the FA. It's not a greed it is a democracy. Mr. Urquhart, I did and in fact I will lecture you again and again. You are the last person to instruct anyone... in anything. Thank you, Laurent Scherzinger. |
| Date | 01:03:39, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Speaker, How grand that the moral knights of Dorvik First are here to save me of my incompetence. Just what I needed. At least I had something to celebrate honourable Miss Somm- Oh wait, she's gone. I mean miss Harig. It seems like the PP has only lost in the last couple of months. Not to mention their spiffing connection between decency and the results of an election. A masterpiece of rational thinking. Besides: What is miss Harig on about? One on one? This is parliament, not some middle school debating club. There are no ' lawless ' one on one debates in a parliament, at least not without the speaker standing between the two MP's involved. Either the proposer debates with an interrupter via the speaker, or an interupter debates an interupter, via the speaker. Haven't seen any parliaments in civilized countries do handle it differently. On another note: If the chancellor is so confident about his own skills and his own expertise, that he wishes to completely ignore a portion of society and parliament with their own specific set of skills that he could need in the future, then so be it. There's an economic crisis knocking on our door, and all that Dorvik First seems to care about is whether their smug faces will be printed in the Dorvische Zeit the next morning with a headline saying something like " Urquhart ignored again" or not. At least we haven't hit that level yet and I guess we never will. Your coalition has been losing seats for the last two elections and you still seem to continue on the path you've always followed. Listen to the people and be a bit less arrogant. The Chancellor's job is on the line after all. It is up to the Chancellor and his clique whether he will listen to my advice or not, but I think that I already have my answers. It was a real pleasure being in this debate with the both of you, Miss Harig and Mister Scherzinger. Best of luck with the coalition. We will be the better man in this situation, listening to any relevant advice given to us. Maybe it will help us in the long run. |
| Date | 01:22:26, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | MR. URQUHART, As I said, nobody prohibits you from following your rules but you do not have the moral authority to instruct anyone on anything. Laurent Scherzinger. |
| Date | 06:53:09, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr.Urquhart,Mr.Scherzinger, We will definitely try to form a government as we have the people's mandate and if it fails then the KU definitely would have the right to try and form a government Katrina Klein |
| Date | 11:45:41, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr Urquhart, Of course it's not lawless, as one of your allies has found out. And our party has never been as low as yours seat-wise. I was saying that if you celebrate 16 seats, you obviously aren't too sure about what is right at what time. Elise Harig Minister for Foreign Affairs Leader of the Pragmatic Party |
| Date | 14:33:58, April 29, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | (If you continue talking like Sommer,Your party will get to 0)Shouts a GLP Backbencher,Klein gestures to him to keep quiet |
| Date | 00:31:13, April 30, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Speaker, First of all: Considering that the GLP's proposal for a cabinet has failed, DAF has decided to no longer reject this proposed government and instead will abstain from voting altogether. We do not support Dorvik First, but we tolerate it, for the sake of Dorvik. Secondly: How hard is it for Miss Harig to understand that you can't personally address someone in Parliament? It is not rocket science. Besides: We founded this party to change Dorvik, to let it flourish again. Miss Harig can keep on commenting about the low amount of seats we have, which we acknowledge ourselves just as well, but at least we have seats, which means that there's support for us inside of this country, how limited it may be. Every vote counts in this parliament, and who knows: maybe the PP will need my 18 MPs in the future in order to secure a win in Parliament? All 505 of us are just as important, remember that. Randolf Urquhart |
| Date | 00:38:52, April 30, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr. Uruqhart, Yes you can address someone personally, we are not in the Luthorian Diet, this is a republic based on a democracy and addressing a representative by his or her last name is quire common in this kind of systems. So cease with this instruction which is totally invalid. Laurent Scherzinger, Federal Chancellor. (ooc: now seriously, you're wrong, you can't address a representative personally in the UK but for example in germany, poland, france, slovakia, czechia, hungary, italy, spain, portugal, the netherlands, austria, switzelrand you can... so... you're wrong. ) |
| Date | 01:34:13, April 30, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | OOC: As a Dutchman, I can confirm that you cannot address a MP personally. You're always speaking with the speaker. Here's the proof: 1. https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/plenaire_verslagen/detail?vj=2016-2017&nr=71&version=2 Not once does a MP address a coleague personally. 2. http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btp/18/18230.pdf The same in Germany. All communication is done while in conversation with the speaker, Look, I'd be willing to accept it, but make a motion about parliamentary rules in Dorvik then. Are why trying to recreate a realistic political landscape or not? |
| Date | 11:47:59, April 30, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Siter III Cabinet Proposal of December 4202 |
| Message | Mr Urquhart, Only in your mind are they the default rules. And this isn't a 'parliament'. Elise Harig Minister for Foreign Affairs Leader of the Pragmatic Party OOC: That really is a western European thing. It's not the default world wide (Unless you were a British colony). |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 256 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 231 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 18 |
| Random fact: Dorvik is a nation based on Germanic and old Prussian cultures, it is located on the far north of Artania, making it an almost arctic nation. |
| Random quote: "I've been against the death penalty since I was in law school in 1950. It's horrible, discriminatory, and undermines the credibility of the criminal justice system." - Ralph Nader |