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Bill: Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4209
Description[?]:
| The Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Bundesrepublik Dorvik. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 20,000,000,000 DDO | 800,000 DDO | 800,000 DDO |
| Foreign Affairs | 17,500,000,000 DDO | 6,000,000,000 DDO | 6,000,000,000 DDO |
| Internal Affairs | 20,000,000,000 DDO | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 11,000,000,000 DDO |
| Finance | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 8,500,000,000 DDO | 10,000,000,000 DDO |
| Defence | 80,000,000,000 DDO | 34,000,000,000 DDO | 34,000,000,000 DDO |
| Justice | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 10,000,000,000 DDO |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 12,000,000,000 DDO | 10,000,000,000 DDO |
| Health and Social Services | 50,000,000,000 DDO | 33,000,000,000 DDO | 36,000,000,000 DDO |
| Education and Culture | 30,000,000,000 DDO | 41,000,000,000 DDO | 38,000,000,000 DDO |
| Science and Technology | 15,000,000,000 DDO | 6,000,000,000 DDO | 5,500,000,000 DDO |
| Food and Agriculture | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 3,000,000,000 DDO | 3,000,000,000 DDO |
| Environment and Tourism | 15,000,000,000 DDO | 3,500,000,000 DDO | 3,500,000,000 DDO |
| Trade and Industry | 15,000,000,000 DDO | 16,000,000,000 DDO | 18,000,000,000 DDO |
| Total | 302,500,000,000 DDO | 183,000,800,000 DDO | 185,000,800,000 DDO |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:06:38, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Any questions brought forwards by representatives will be answered by me personally. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 20:25:46, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, We, in the Conservative Union, have some questions concerning the justification of some budget expansion. Why the budget of the ministry of finance is going to expanded, why the budget for education and culture is faced with the horrendous cut of 3 billion dollgars? We do not understand how come this budget will help to overcome the economic recession if it is not directed to increase the government spending on for example social and defense issues which is widely known to help in the stabilization of the economy. How come millions of students in our country have to be the victims of the government's incompetence. Why the government will not increase the defense budget to boost the economy by developing federal contracts in order to create jobs? Why are you intending to cut the infrastructure budget when the expansion of this particular budget can help you in overcoming the economic "crisis"... By expanding the federal budgets and setting a deficit of 5-10% of the GDP can contribute to revive the economy... The only thing which we commend is the expansion of the Helath and Social Services budget. |
| Date | 20:26:05, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Lorenz Herwig, KU finance spokesman. |
| Date | 21:19:58, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, How nice that first the KU critizes us for not doing anything and now they critize us for doing something. Recent acts of privatization give us the room to cut funding for Education and Infrastructure without hurting the economy or the society. Since we privatized the TOC's, subcontract private companies to deal with infrastructural projects and privatized large parts of our educational system, we have a lot of free Dollgars which we can spend on economic initiatives in the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Trade/Industry, like the ones we have announced back in 4207 (Forum). These initiatives will help us significantly more than just throwing money at education and infrastructure without any real plan behind it, hoping that it will ' help us in the long run '. Besides: previous governments already invested in Defence, which is why we will not invest even further in our military. We have other priorities. We're balancing the budget: there won't be a deficit, but I didn't expect the KU to check the details of our expenses and revenues anyways. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 22:51:33, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, So in your mind, no matter how limitted it is, investing in education which benefits us in a double way by providing people with jobs as teachers etc. and our fiuture generations with professional and advanced education, it is nothing more than "throwing money at education"? There is a plan behind that Mr. Hagen. Investment in infrastructure will procide thousands of people with jobs they need. Companies will have the possibilities to execute federal contracts and they will need hands for work. But No. You have other priorities, like pumping money in your own ministry... I wonder how long will we have to wait untill the ministry of finance will award its workers with bonuses and grants for their commitment in overcoming the crisis. But No worries Mr. Hagen... people will keep you accountable, we will keep you accountable. You say about those innotiatives from the other ministries but we see No results... Lorenz Herwig. |
| Date | 23:38:02, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Herren Deputies, The worst of the economic crisis is over, the Dorvish economy has shown itself to be in a recovery mode. Our strategic investments made by the Ministry of Trade and Industry helped reduced unemployment in Westmark and Dorvan, two of the hardest hit areas and I have instructed the Head President's in Dorvan and Westmark to continue their due diligence to draw investment into their respective Federal States. The fundamental goal is to increase our foreign trade, which is a two-fold goal, it allows investment to and from Dorvik and allows us to find markets for our services. Let's face it, we're a hybrid economy, we're both post-Industrial and industrial. We've definitely undertaken efforts to allow ourselves more room for Dorvish people to work in blue collar positions, but we can do more. Volker Joachim von Desidier, Federal Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Dorvik |
| Date | 23:46:34, May 10, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Mr. v. Desidier, None of your statements do not answer our question. Why Education and Culture sector is planned to experience such vast cuts. And what is this interesting rise in the Ministry of Finance dictated by? Increase of 1 billion dollgars pumped into a ministry which will not benefit us with more jobs or benefit us at all. We understand that this is the ministry of finance and its job is to distribute the assets within all sectors but we find it unnecessary to expand its budget to this extent. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 00:29:55, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, The Ministry of Finance is responsible for domestic ecomomic activities, while the Ministry of Trade and Industry is more responsible for foreign-based trade. The worst of the crisis may be over, but we still have a long way to go. Having a reserve at our disposal in case of another economic disaster would be ideal. We must prepare for possible bailouts as investments by Dorvish companies in countries like Trigunia vanish in thin air, leaving companies in stormy waters as they sometimes lose millions or billions of dollgars. By investing in the Ministry of Finance, we can ensure that we have enough funds to continue subsiding companies that are deemed ' too large to fail ' in terms of the consequences it will have on society if these companies go bankrupt, like Dorvische Werft in Kordusia and Layern Stahl in Largonia. We cannot risk thousands of jobs of thousands while we rcover. We're mainly looking at companies who suffer from the decreased in international investments and trade. The Ministry of Finance has also gone ahead with a Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program (TLGP) in order to stabilise banks in such a way that they lower rents and lend more to consumers and businesses, which will boost our recovery significantly. This government acknowledges the importance of education, but the KU must be aware of the fact that we have promoted private education in recent years, thus providing our country with a large amount of private educational facilities that aren't paid by the state. This march of private education relieves the Ministry of Education in some ways, eventually freeing up more money that we can repurpose for things like the Ministry of Finance. No student is harmed by this proposal. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 00:35:59, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, I remind you because maybe you are not well aware but the law prohibits our government from bailing out failing companies. The only way they can be saved by the government is to privatize them. But you, as the federal minister of finance of course are aware of that fact. Therefore any expansion of the finance ministry budget is not justified as bailouts or subsidies are simply against the law. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 00:39:25, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, excuse my mistake, of course I meant that the only way the government can save them is to nationalize them. http://classic.particracy.net/viewvariable.php?variable=INDUSTRY_REGULATION here is the valid proof that the government is not entitled to subsidize or bailout failing companies. Heike Thierz |
| Date | 00:45:34, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, oh and one more thing, the law I mentioned earlier allows the government to nationalize failing industries which provide VITAL goods or service. VITAL I repeat. No matter how big the failing company is, the government has no right to intervene if the conditions predicted by the law have not been met. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 01:18:05, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Whether a company is vital or not is up to our judgement. Fortunately, we believe that the companies I mentioned earlier are vital for Dorvik's economic stability. I must admit that I have not read the entire chapter of economic laws yet, which is why I'd like to thank herr Thierz for the friendly reminder. In that case: we need money to nationalize Dorvische Werft and Layern Stahl. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 01:28:52, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, I mentioned three of our plans to justify increasing the funding for the Ministry of Finance. All of these three are significant for Dorvik's economic revival. If the KU desires to disagree with my plans, which I am sure they will, then what are their alternatives? What actual plans does the KU have? Throwing money at the military and the arms industry? Blood money. Besides, the KU mentioned subcontracting private companies for infrastructural projects and how it would help the economy, but there are some slight issues: 1. The KU proposed a bill that would end any subcontracting by the government connected to public works. Is the KU now saying that they agree with something they disagree with? 2. We cannot make Dorvik one massive parkinglot. We already have state-of-the-art roads, railways and airfields, so what would we want to do with the billions that we pump into the Ministry of Infrastructure? Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 01:31:28, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Did I seem friendly? Well that wasn't my intention at all. You are the minister of finance and you "have not read the entire chapter of the economic laws yet" then what the hell are you doing as the finance minister. You are the federal minister and you do not know the laws which your ministry is the subject to... God save Dorvik from incompetent ministers like Mr. Hagen. I think you've just gave us the best campaign slogan for the upcoming elections. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 01:36:28, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, I'm sure that the KU only cares about the elections, since they've only complemented this debate with logical fallicies and the usual stream of insults. Will they answer my questions? What plans does the KU have besides flip-flopping on issues like subcontracting for public works? Any of the KU's performances in this Assembly is nothing more than a cheap campaigning stunt. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 01:40:45, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, The answer to issue number one is very simple. If the government would be responsible for the public works initiatives then the government would be the executor of those initiatives and it would be the government who would create jobs not the subcontractors. I think that student of first year of economics know that, in fact high school student knows that. We wouldn't subcontract private companies we would subcontract publicly owned companies. Are you sure you are the minister of finance? Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 01:43:33, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, The only logical fallacy in this whole jigsaw is you. A true dilettante appointed as a minister of finance. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 01:46:37, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Your belief that the ministry of infrastructure's aim and role is to create parking lots, I congratulate you once again on you astonishing level of competence. What about modernization of cities, maintenance of national roads and highway network, expansion of still short network of railways... Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 05:46:26, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr.Speaker, We support this budget and we believe that we can cut funds and reduce spending even more AND Reduce Taxes by Privatising Most of the Government Owned Operations which would automatically reduce the government's burden to spend. I request the Government to Consider our proposals to Privatise most,if not all Public Sector Undertakings. Thank you, Hendrietta Schroeder, Leader of the Official Opposition |
| Date | 10:21:08, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, I must congratulate herr Thierz on totally dodging any questions I ask. He didn't even answer the first question, since he was clearly speaking about private companies earlier on. '[Private] Companies will have the possibilities to execute federal contracts '. He doesn't know his own agenda. I didn't ask for a lesson in economics: I wanted the KU to explain the anomaly in what herr Thierz says while his own party proposes the opposite. Let me ask it again: Does the KU want to subcontract private companies or do they want to use public companies? Besides: If herr Thierz would listen to everything I say for once, he would see that I am well aware of the Ministry of Infrastructure's tasks. Never have I said that it was the Ministry's sole task of plopping down parking lots, it was just a small joke to show that we can't build anything more if we have already built everything that is necessary... I'm seriously starting to doubt whether herr Thierz even understands what happens in this Assembly, seeing that he misinterpreted statements several times while also dropping countless of strawman-arguments that totally miss my perspective of the situation. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 11:57:01, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, I'm starting to worry about you, really. Did you not hear my answer in which I said that the answer to the issue you've raised? Current system allows the government to subcontract private companies that's a fact, and as long as this law is in place. We've proposed a law to change that so that the government would maintain a program for public works which will shorten the procedure. Instead of private companies taking care of public works initiatives, publicly owned companies will take that responsibility. Is that too hard for you to understand? You didn't ask for a lesson in economics, but after hearing what we've witnessed, it's pretty obvious that you really could use one or even two. I said that because under the current law it is the solution of expanding budgets of infrastructure or defense budgets. Under the law we've proposed the solution would be different, under the law we've proposed we would contract publicly owned companies. I don't understand why are you so amazed by this simple fact. Once again, investments in infrastructure are the easiest way to boos the economy, that's the fact. And if you think that our public companies execute contracts only in Dorvik you, sir, are again mistaken. "We've already built what is necessary".. another lie. There are still shortages of highways, lots of roads need either expansion or major maintenance. But I think that you as the minister of finance are not the best informed person in this issue. Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 12:40:39, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Where do we need more roads? Like I said: we can't make this country one massive parking lot. We already have a extensive network of regional roads and highways? Besides: like 10 billion dollgars isn't enough tc continue constructing new roads? Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 12:49:26, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Your shortsightedness is just amazing. Here! For example a direct expressway connecting Weinsedorf and Oppenbruck, that 1200 kilometers of road. Expansion of roads connecting Oninswald with Leneufels and Frostenbruck with Ussendorf to establish one direct connection between Weinsedorf and Ussendorf. Another 600 kilometers of roads. We can find many others. And you know what road construction means? More jobs. More jobs which people need. Mr. Hagen if you think Dorvish infrastructure cannot be expanded, upgraded and better maintained then I do not see a great career as the minister... Heike Thierz |
| Date | 12:56:35, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Both the Minister of Infrastructure and I believe that the proposed budget of ten billion dollgars is sufficient. We have enough money to spend on maintenance and current and future projects. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 13:10:28, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Of course you do, of course... Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 14:04:45, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This proposal is utterly backwards; we'll be cutting essentials that need more funding if anything, all to fund the less essential ministries. We oppose this silly budget. Christopher Leiner, Progress Leader |
| Date | 18:20:28, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, As Minister of Education, I refuse to have my budget cut for nonsense reasons. Our country is not in recession any longer, thanks to people like the past Ministers of Trade and Industry, the late President Lehmann and other, more local politicians. Education should get as much funding as possible at any given time. Our children's future are more important than the Ministry of Finance. And as a native of Weisendorf, I can tell you that we have seen massive improvements in the South in recent years due to investment in the ministries you want to cut. |
| Date | 18:20:49, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | *Liselotte Krukenberg Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 20:14:37, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, This proposals was being debated for over 6 months. Why didn't parties react back when we were still able to change the proposal? Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 20:31:27, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, Please don't look at the KU benches. We've done everything we could to prove this bill as irrational, and I think we've succeeded. *laugh and applauds from the KU benches* Heike Thierz. |
| Date | 22:35:13, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Unfortunately you haven't. Both the SNP and LKP have said that they support this act, giving this act majority support. Tough luck. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 22:35:22, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, Unfortunately you haven't. Both the SNP and LKP have said that they support this act, giving this act majority support. Tough luck. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
| Date | 22:52:38, May 11, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | Mr. Hagen, We'll see. We'll see. Wait, patience is the answer. Heike Thierz |
| Date | 14:07:43, May 12, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Emergency Budget proposal of December 4208 |
| Message | President, We will propose a new budget considering some of the opposition's requests after seeing that some of our own coalition partners are not capable of either communication or voting. Mark Hagen Minister of Finance |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 82 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 224 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 199 |
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