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Bill: Minimum Wage Act of October 2186

Details

Submitted by[?]: Proletariat Revolution Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2188

Description[?]:

While the market is good at dictatingh wages for those who aren't at the bottom, those at the bottom also deserve a wage on which they can adequately subsist. By introducing a law that ensures a minimum level of pay, the government can encourage more people to seek employment.

By mandating a minimum wage level, the government can help ensure that those who are disadvantages because of circumstances beyond their control aren't completely left back in society simply because they don't earn enough to support themselves and those who are wholly dependant upon them.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date17:55:12, February 16, 2006 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageAM AAP supports.

Date20:04:48, February 16, 2006 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageWages should be a matter of discussion between the worker, who can set a value for his time, and the employer, who can set a value for the job to be performed. Should these supply and demand curves intersect, economically justified employment occurs.

The government has no part in this equation, except to enforce the terms of the contract; mutually agreed upon.

Date20:23:35, February 16, 2006 CET
FromProletariat Revolution Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageBut not all employees can sit down with their employer to negotiate a workable salary. This is to help protect those who cannot protect themselves.

Date20:27:32, February 16, 2006 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageThat is the function of the union, which negotiates, and not the government, which legislates.

Date02:18:01, February 17, 2006 CET
FromProletariat Revolution Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageBut union membership isn't mandatory.

Date04:57:23, February 17, 2006 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageIndeed. Good points made by the AM SLP:

The problem with the labour market in Likatonia, is that Union membership is voluntary, and that employers are not REQUIRED to hire Union members.

This leads to an unfortunate situation... if a worker joins a Union for the negotiation and protection, they CAN find themselves no longer 'employable'... since many employers will just avoid the 'hassle' of hiring Union-represented candidates.

We either need FULL Union membership, or we need to allow the government to negotiate on behalf of non-Union candidates.

Date10:48:21, February 17, 2006 CET
FromLikaton Fascist Front
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageWe were undecided on this issue, however we shall follow the lead of majority of the Axis Mundi Coalition.

Date14:17:45, February 17, 2006 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageContracts are made with the voluntary agreement of all parties involved; therefore mandatory union membership or requiring employers to hire union members (which amounts to the same thing) eliminates contracts, replacing rational arguement over terms with a gun to the head of the parties. Our long traditions of freedom demand that we allow our citizens, be they laboror or employer, the right and privilege of determining what working conditions they will accept.

Date18:17:55, February 17, 2006 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageContracts are not made with the voluntary agreement of all parties... because we have unemployed workers.... which means, our labour force contains workers who MUST accept work, regardless of the contract attached.

With such an inequality, it is dishonest to pretend that all workers and all employers, are dealing with equal conditions in contracting.

Date20:40:08, February 17, 2006 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageThe fact that we have unemployed workers is one of the best arguements against a minimum wage. All classical economic studies show that by setting a price floor, the amount of anything being purchased will decline. What this bill will do is to make certain jobs uneconomic, eliminating positions among those least able to find alternative employment. Either the jobs will remain undone or the employeer will find an alternative solution, such as requiring a single employee to do more or automating some positions.

Date19:29:57, February 18, 2006 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Minimum Wage Act of October 2186
MessageWhile the AAP sees the logic behind the AM RLP position, we believe that sweatshops are a thirdworld problem, that we should be fighting in the third-world. Not encouraging in our own nation.

We all know there are Likatonian citizens working for 2 LIK an hour in the textiles industry, with no healthplan or benefits package. The AM AAP is tired of our citizens being seen as a disposable commodity. If creating a 'price floor' encourages the industry of Likatonia to re-evaluate the benefits versus risks of the jobs they offer, so much the better.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
     

Total Seats: 253

no
  

Total Seats: 169

abstain
 

Total Seats: 78


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