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Bill: Just War Act 4230
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4230
Description[?]:
| A bill to limit the use of certain types of weaponry only in situations when absolutely necessary in order to limit indiscriminate killings of civilians and other non-combatants in warfare. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is allowed.
Current: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:09:59, June 21, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Federation proposes this bill to prevent the excessive use of force in ways which cause excessive and indiscriminant harm to civilians and non-combatants both during and after a conflict. Biological and chemical weapons cause horrendous pain and suffering, leading to malformations, third-degree burns, cancer in newborns and painful and protracted deaths. They also can enter the local ecosystem effecting people and the environment for generations to come. Conventional weapons; such as the use of strategic missiles; are as effective as such weaponry; and are far less brutal and indiscriminant. Nuclear weapons are overwhelmingly destructive; able to destroy whole cities and capable; if used too many times; to leave Terra inhospitable to human habitation. Land mines are another form of indiscriminant weapons; almost impossible to locate; and capable of remaining dormant to maim and kill decades and even centuries after a conflict. If Luthori wants to remain a powerful and respected military power, we must limit the use of such weapons and make moves to prevent their use unilaterally across the whole of Terra. That is why the Federation proposes this bill. The Masked Man, Delegate Leader of the Anarchist Federation |
| Date | 18:46:40, June 21, 2017 CET | From | The Party for Freedom and Liberty | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Party would like to question the route Luthori would take if another nation used chemical and biological warfare on us under these proposed laws. |
| Date | 19:07:45, June 21, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, In regards to the Party for Freedom and Liberty I'd support a full scale invasion of their territory and the arrest and execution of all leaders which authorised the attack. The truth of the matter is that although biological and chemical weapons are terrible they could not destroy the world to the same degree nuclear weapons could. Therefore I don't think using nuclear weapons on a country which uses biological and chemical weapons is justified. In the case of a first strike on Luthori with nuclear weapons I think it would be justified to strike them in retaliation. We are willing to change that article of the bill in order to allow retalliation for chemical and biological weapons if the PFL regard it as a factor which would cause them to not vote for the bill, however this would purely be a consession. Ultimately the Federation's ultimate goal in the case of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons (WMD's) would be unilateral disarmment by all the nations of Terra although we understand this is a goal for far in the future. Is destroying the world or pepetuating chemical and biological use justified in situations where purely biological and chemical weapons are used? The Federation is not sure enough to make a judgement. How about we agree to support unilateral disarmment in the future? In such a case we could say propose only using biological and chemical weapons in situations where we are attacked by such weapons, and drop the proposal to ban chemical and biological use until such a time that a treaty unilaterally bans such weapons from use. The Masked Man, Delegate Leader of the Anarchist Federation |
| Date | 19:08:44, June 21, 2017 CET | From |  Centrist Alliance | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I'd like to answer that for the party of Freedom and Liberty - we'd be left without weapons to retaliate with and be open to threats by rouge nations. The radical left have always been a threat to national and economic security and by the F&LP going into cahoots with them we are left in a very dangerous situation. Melissa Higson CA-BC Leader |
| Date | 19:12:17, June 21, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This is an open debate and changes can be made. I suggest that the CA-BC listens to the debate before commenting. The Federation is open to suggestions from all parties. The Masked Man, Delegate Leader of the Anarchist Federation |
| Date | 20:19:06, June 21, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We have amended Article 1 and 2. We hope the PFL likes are amendments; and we are open to any further suggestions. The Masked Man, Delegate Leader of the Anarchist Federation |
| Date | 01:32:31, June 22, 2017 CET | From | White Rose | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I have a further suggestion, scrap the bill. We have these weapons to protect ourselves and we should not limit ourselves to retaliation only, that means a nation can hit us first with nukes or chemical warfare, before we can even consider acting. Marquis Dale Weston Leader of the RCP |
| Date | 05:47:09, June 22, 2017 CET | From | The Party for Freedom and Liberty | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Party appreciates the compromises the LAF has made and will support this bill. However, we would like to comment that we do not appreciate CA-BC's comments and hope they will not be made in the future. We are civilized politicians and we should act as such. |
| Date | 14:34:40, June 22, 2017 CET | From | Patriots Party | To | Debating the Just War Act 4230 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, These two coalition parties are literally asking to be invaded. These dangerous left wing lunatics must be contained or our great nation will be left in ruins. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 216 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 161 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 23 |
| Random fact: By default the head of government is the ultimate authority within a national government. In general terms, heads of government are expected to consult with cabinet colleagues (including those from other parties) before making significant decisions but they remain responsible for government action. |
| Random quote: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken |