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Bill: P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Nazionale Democratico
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4234
Description[?]:
Jolanda Fuoca, Shadow Minister of Defence Ladies and Gentlemen, Our military was obliterated during the previous left reign. We want to undo the damage. We cannot do this alone. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Current: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Proposed: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 18:45:05, June 27, 2017 CET | From | Eguaglianza e Libertà | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Alessandro Vallario, EL chairman "Every single proposed article goes against our values. As part of the global community we should seek peace and promote laws that will prevent wars, conflicts and destruction. Also, we don't understand what has article 5 anything to do with the "greatness" of the military. If homosexuals want to support the nation by enrolling in the military, we should accept them as a whole human being, not just as a peace of meat to sacrifice on the front line. It is truly shameful and saddening to read such inhuman proposals. We won't support this bill and we ask our colleagues to follow our decision. |
Date | 18:59:01, June 27, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Maria Tiame, Minister of Defence / FR vice-chairwoman "Thank you for proposing a rather peculiar alternative to our bill regarding the field of defence, and therefore we are grateful for that." |
Date | 19:37:56, June 27, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Maria Time, Minister of Defence / FR chairman "We are looking forward to see you notice our reform. And possibly back it up, too." OOC: why can't I use proper grammar today? |
Date | 19:59:02, June 27, 2017 CET | From | Lega Giusnaturalistica | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Giancarlo Dominici, Defense Spokesman of C.C. "While the Confederazione is extremely dedicated to the advancement of our military and agrees with the bulk of this bill, we must oppose articles 4, 5, and 7, on the grounds of civil liberties. On Article 4, we believe in the right to conscientiously object. On Article 5, we believe it only matters if one can shoot straight, not that they are straight. On Article 7, we believe that the military must not play a role in the enforcement of our laws internally - that is the role of the police forces." |
Date | 22:41:27, June 27, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Harun Al-Sahel, Deputy Leader of LP: "We join the collegues of CC and furthermore we cannot accept the existence of paramilitaries. Only the state shall have the right to use the force, not group of exaltated. We think that you can go toward me and CC for a positive passage of this bill" |
Date | 01:02:39, June 28, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | Beniamino Massa, AI Whip Sir Dominici, your choice of words was noteworthy! I can not remember I laughed so much in a parliament hearing. May we agree though to keep Article 4, as we believe that when you consciously object, you object to killing people, to even holding a weapon. But delivering messages? Healing the wounded? These noble tasks need their people, and in times of war, we cannot just let people go. Everyone has a role. They will never have to be violent, but treating patients, that I think is the minimum they could do to their compatriots. Article 5 and 7 I will remove to potentially pass separately, for visibility. Paramilitaries will go to the other bill as how else will we be legally be able to attempt a military coup d'etat? For the record, the last sentence was a joke. |
Date | 10:17:17, June 28, 2017 CET | From | Partito Radicale | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | OOC: I'm new to Istalia and I have a question... Is proposing bills here all about trying to make sure they have no chance of passing by making them so long? How on earth would another party agree with every single article of a bill which is 7 articles long? P.d.l. 04/4232 is 21 articles long!! I'm confused because I thought the whole point was to try to get legislation passed... Also, in other countries they encourage (as I have done) to make bills smaller so a compromise is more likely and they are more likely to pass. |
Date | 21:09:43, June 28, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | OOC: maybe a party proposes a bill just to improve its visibility. |
Date | 10:38:26, June 29, 2017 CET | From | Partito Radicale | To | Debating the P.d.l 11/4232 Military Greatness |
Message | OOC: Then if that is the case it skew the positions of all the other parties, leading to ever more omnibus bills. I think they should be split - it makes them more likely to find agreement and have less of an impact on other parties. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes | Total Seats: 270 | |||||
no |
Total Seats: 365 | |||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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