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Bill: P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit"
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Radicale
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4234
Description[?]:
| "Trees are vitally important to our ecology and by this we mean our national survival, health and wellbeing. We must put the careful management of ecosystems and our environment before the profit-making motive. Sustainable management is not compatible with the concept of private companies which only think about maximising the amount of money they make. Let's take back control of one of the most precious resources that we have." - Liana La Raia, Parliamentarian |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Forest management.
Old value:: Local governments may set up forestry agencies. Where they do not, forestry is on a commercial basis.
Current: Local governments may set up forestry agencies. Where they do not, forestry is on a commercial basis.
Proposed: Local governments are required to operate forestry agencies, which own and manage all forest land.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:51:21, June 28, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | Harun Al-Sahel, Deputy Leader of LP: "I strongly support the second article but not at all the first one. Could Sì Istalia split the articles? Thank you" |
| Date | 22:24:58, June 28, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | Beniamino Massa, AI Whip, Yes lets kill small business once again. Let us force them to pay more for trees than their actual prOject. Furthermore the first article completely aligns with the cause of the tragedy of the commons. If forestry is the main source of income of a company, will it give it all away at once, or will have a constant income over years. It is not just a logging opportunity, but also tourism and science. The government does not have this huge incentive to care for forests, it is called profit. |
| Date | 12:20:53, June 29, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | Haruan Al-Sahel: "there is something called "common goods" and "biodiversity", something even more important than the profit and which can be an engine as well as the profit. And the tragedy into the tropical forests and the perpetual destruction of even more forestal territories is a proof about the fact that an activity leads only by profit tends to exploit at maximum the resurces in the less time possible to profit today, not in years and years." |
| Date | 13:09:02, June 29, 2017 CET | From | Partito Radicale | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | OOC: I will give this one more month of debate and then I will probably split it. |
| Date | 15:47:10, June 29, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | Beniamino Massa, Leader of AI, We simply do not agree. Rain forest oh so often is owned by government, which carelessly sells the rights to logging to other companies. So they obviously exploit that right. But if the forest itself is their source of income, as it is owned by the company and grown and cared after by the company, there is a completely different attitude to it. |
| Date | 16:37:09, June 29, 2017 CET | From | Eguaglianza e Libertà | To | Debating the P.d.l. 5/4233: "Trees, not Profit" |
| Message | Marco Rovigo, Minister of Trade and Industry "Leader of AI, Mr. Massa, is promoting a fearmongering campaign, falsely accusing the government of exploitation of its own regulations. But if you read carefully your comment Mr. Massa, you can see you contradict yourself. As you said, the government "carelessly" sells the logging rights to companies who do the work. The companies obviously have some income, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. If these companies make a profit from the forest, they should, as Mr. Massa said, take care of the forest. As we can see today, private unregulated companies, who Mr. Massa thinks will care about the forests, deforestated half the planet. They only cared about profit and didn't invest in the sustainability of their field. It seems that in the end government has to take some affirmative actions to stop the further deforestation of our home planet. And I would like to ask mr. Massa to stop relying on emotions and fear of progress as arguments agains "leftist" bills." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 365 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 270 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to ensure their "Bills under debate" section is kept in good order. Bills which are irrelevant or have become irrelevant should be deleted. Deletion can be requested for bills proposed by inactive parties on the Bill Clearout Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4363 |
| Random quote: "In an underdeveloped country, don't drink the water; in a developed country, don't breathe the air." - Changing Times magazine |