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Bill: Openness and responsibility
Details
Submitted by[?]: Telamon Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2189
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's policy regarding foreign embassies.
Old value:: Foreign countries may establish an embassy after obtaining approval from the Foreign Office.
Current: Foreign countries may establish an embassy after obtaining approval from the Foreign Office.
Proposed: Any other country may establish an embassy on national soil.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Current: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Proposed: The government gives high levels of aid to countries in need.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:14:23, February 18, 2006 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Openness and responsibility |
| Message | 1. Why? - the current doesn't mean that embassies cannot and will not be established, it simply prevents hostile powers from establishing an embassy without prior government knowledge for use as a centre of espionage etc. Generally, this bill just gives the Foreign Ministry the right to refuse the establishment of embassies, it doesn't mean that it will use that right - in fact I cannot think of any case of a nation requesting the establishment of an embassy on Telamonian soil that has been rejected (remember that I have essentially run Telamonian foreign policy since the beginning in 2036) 2. Again, whilst in this case I do see your point, for defence reasons it would seem practical that whilst other states have the ability to undertake covert operations, then we should also have that capacity. The Commonwealth Intelligence & Defence Agency is well known as an intelligence agency and as of yet again i cannot think of a time when it has actually used its potential powers, but that is not a reason to get rid of them. 3. whilst i think moderate is probably enough, i have no real problem with this proposal |
| Date | 19:15:29, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Openness and responsibility |
| Message | 1. Because hostile governments aiming at espionage are terribly deterred by having to get approval from our Foreign Office? The statude does not in any way _prevent_ anyone setting up shop and taking up espionage. Are you actually claiming that we need a rule that is never to be applied and that has no logical link to the things you try to achieve with it? 2. As in trade policy, the principle of having everything that the other guys have rapidly leads to escalating use of just those means. The same principles that apply to use of quotas, dutys and other trade barriers readily lend themselves to be used in reference to other means of using power. |
| Date | 00:23:43, February 19, 2006 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Openness and responsibility |
| Message | no, but theoretically it allows us to vet legitimate embassies - obviously spies can still operate without an embassy (hence why we need an powerful intelligence agency) |
| Date | 16:29:30, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Openness and responsibility |
| Message | You do not consider that the term "counterintelligence" covers anti-spy actions? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 88 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 170 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 97 |
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