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Bill: DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy

Details

Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Landvolkpartei

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: February 4247

Description[?]:

Article I: All higher education institutions shall be placed under local/provincial control. No national government funds, with the specific exception, shall be required to provincial higher education institutions. Provincial governments in combination of with student tuition fees and endowments shall provide the only funding of higher education institutions.

Article II: Al higher education institutions shall self-regulate themselves through a series of National, and Provincial Boards of Regents. All higher education institutions must be a member or accept the standards put forth by both the National and Provincial Boards of Regents. These boards will be solely responsible for establishing accreditation standards and policing their member institutions.

Article III: Higher education tuition shall be partially subsidized by the national government for all students through a means-tested application system. The amount of tuition subsidized shall be no less than 1/4 of tuition costs. These tuition costs do not include cost-of-living.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date23:47:17, July 21, 2017 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessageHerr President,

While I understand you wish to see devolution inside of Dorvish Education, I can state that you might want to review how Dorvik has it's higher educational institutions setup. Dorvik's 5 provinces are comprised of 5 nationally-controlled, locally-maintained university and college systems, they are as follows: the State University of Kordusia (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/State_University_of_Kordusia), the Royal University of Dorvan (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_University_of_Dorvan), and the Universities of Miktar, Largonia and Westmark (formerly Mothar) (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/University_of_Mothar http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/University_of_Miktar http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/University_of_Largonia)

So, your proposals are already done but the Ministry of Education and Culture maintains oversight of these organizations already. Dorvik is unique in it's educational setup and we would be opposed to changing it. The Dorvish model for education (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Education_in_Dorvik and http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Dorvik#Education) is second to none, this is something that the Social Nationalist Party had built for the Dorvish people and we oppose any changes to it.

Jannick von Kielholz,
SNP Party Secretary for Education and Culture
Deputy of the State Council

Date01:29:15, July 22, 2017 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessagePresident,

We appreciate the words of the SNP. The DLVP fails to see how the proposals change the university system as you have outlined it. The university system will still be run by the provinces. The only difference now is funding. With each province being roughly 20 million people, they surely have the ability to run and fund their own education system. What could the national government offer that the provincial could not?

The national government will still aid students in tuition fees to offset financial difficulties faced by prospective and current students.

Dr. Baldur von Kopp, Dr.B
DLVP Shadow Minister for Education

Date17:25:58, July 22, 2017 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessageHerr President,

The Ministry of Education and Culture has far more resources available to it then Provincial Ministries of the Education and Culture, resource access allows the government to respond greater at a state level.

Jannick von Kielholz

Date21:06:29, July 22, 2017 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessagePresident,

The Ministry would have to split their budget five ways regardless, even if one province needed more funding than another. This law change would simply place higher education in the hands of those who would hold the most vested interests: the provinces themselves. Let the provinces decide on their own funding for their own higher education, trust them to do it right. After all, it is their province and it is their education system.

We could get behind the SNP's argument if the provinces were small and limited, but they are not. They each have roughly 20 million people! Each has large cities filled highly intelligent people. Each has fully functioning bureaucratic systems able to fulfill the necessary tasks.

Is the issue really about funding? Is the SNP concerned that provinces cannot afford to fund their higher education systems?

Hanne Valerie Baasch
DLVP Chair

(OOC: I don't normally make an argument like this, but most on here dislike localism for some reason so I feel compelled to do this. I live in a Midwestern state with a small population - about 3 million - and next to another state that has 1.9 million. Both of these states are able to pay for and run 5 major state universities. This sort of stuff can be done. To put that into context, these two states are about the population of Norway which is able to finance and run 7 major universities. Each one of Dorvik's provinces has roughly 20 million! Each has the population of Florida, the 3rd most populous state in the US.)

Date21:08:44, July 22, 2017 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
Message(OOC: I may have misconstrued a fact, the two states maintain 5 state universities between them, 3 in Iowa and 2 in Nebraska)

Date17:16:49, July 23, 2017 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessageOOC: Yeah, population numbers are a little...weird. I always kind of stopped short of saying oh we have XYZ people purely because the numbers a are a little weird and next to no difference exists. I'll respond to this a little more in-depth when I have more time.

Date18:11:01, July 23, 2017 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the DLVP 2.7b: "Local Money, Local Control - Local Scholars Initiative" - Higher Education Policy
MessageOOC: I know, it is odd. In the 3000s I think the populations of each country reached almost a billion ... so Terra had a population of nearly 20 billion! But each "state" within a country had widely different populations. Then they cut the total population to roughly 100 million per country and the "states" seem to no longer vary much. I sort of wish they would fix that a bit.

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Total Seats: 159

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Total Seats: 348

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