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Bill: Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona
Details
Submitted by[?]: Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4247
Description[?]:
| THIS DISCUSSION IS TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PERMENANT LEGISLATIVE HISTORICAL RECORD. (OOC: Votes on this bill weather it passes or fails has no relevancy.) Links to info regarding the situation: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=530130 http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=84&start=370 http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4354&start=280 http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4427&p=118548#p118548 It seems that this issue is about slavery. Slavery and the Slave trade are legal in Vorona. It seems that the blockade is an attempt to stop the slave trade. I am hearing rumors of a potential invasion. I have been speaking to our South Seleyan neighbors from Rildanor and Kanjor about the situation. Kanjor seems to be attempting to prevent the blockade and sees this action as an imperialistic act by Istalia. Kanjor is not allowing Istalian ships to pass through their waters. Some in Rildanor seem to be sympathetic to the blockade but, based on my correspondence, I don't think Rildanor has a clear policy with regard to the situation, other than defense of their own sovereignty. I have informed my contacts in the government of Rildanor and Kanjor that the Mordusian Government currently takes no official position with regard to this situation, however, considering that both of these nations are strongly considering joining the South Seleyan Defensive Alliance, I assured them that if they were to join the alliance that any attempts to violate their sovereignty would be fully defended by the diplomatic and military power of the Federal Republic of Mordusia. The purpose of this discussion to help shape Mordusian policy with regard to this ever evolving situation. This discussion is open to all input, foreign and domestic. -Luca Rodson, President of the Federal Republic of Mordusia |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:52:41, July 22, 2017 CET | From | Mordusia First! | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | People of the Congress, We do not support the cruel act of slavery which is perfectly legal in Verona. My Ministry supports Istalia's involvement to block trade coming in and out of Verona as it is a wise decision. I'm sure that the Minister of Defence is on the same route with me and we can help Istalia free those Veronan slaves. I believe that it is necessary to issue sanctions against Verona so that they change their policies, and the Tea Party will gladly issue sanctions based upon the abilities of our Ministries. Pauline Branson Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 00:10:44, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Thank you for your input Minister Branson. I'm not sure yet if I agree with your position but I would like you to work with congress on a sanctions proposal. I do agree that the slavery issue needs to be dealt with but there is also the issue of Voronian Sovereignty. It is questionable to me that a blockade is the proper response. Perhaps strong sanctions would encourage a change in policy in Vorona. -President Rodson |
| Date | 00:22:37, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Mordusia First! | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Mr. President, I believe that a naval blockade is necessary to get them to change their policies on this issue. Sanctions are a first step but a military blockade is necessary. Vorona knows that they are a small nation and cannot risk being threatened, which means that any military action will easily change their minds. With that said, if we were to show our military action, it will undoubtedly let the nations of Terra know, that we are not to be messed with. I support the naval blockade and urge the Minister of Defence to show his support as well, so that the people know we have a clear vision on this blockade. Pauline Branson Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 01:13:36, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Pauline, please be advised that this could put us at odds with Kalistan, based on the terms of Kalistan-Vorona Treaty of Cooperation and Friendship. http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=3542 I don't think this is a major concern but it is something to consider before we take action. You should discuss the situation with the Kalistani Government. I may do so as well and I will cc you on any correspondence. I will contact the government of Vorona and ask them to end slavery before we take action. I will send them a message. It will include as strong warning. I also will encourage them to monitor this public debate so that they can see where the Mordusian government stands on this issue. Make sure to send any sensitive correspondence using a more private method. -President Rodson |
| Date | 01:28:19, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Here is a copy of the message I sent to the Voronian Government, "To the Government of Vorona, We in the Mordusian government are deeply troubled that your nation is actively engaged in the slave trade. We must ask that you cease this practice as soon as possible. Our government is considering endorsing the Istalian blockade against Vorona. I encourage you to monitor and/or participate in the debate with regard to this issue. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=530538 As you can see, many in the Mordusian government, including me, are quite serious about the situation. We hope to see a change in policy from your nation as soon as possible. You must change the policy or face the consequences. Sanctions are already being considered so do the right thing. We will be watching. -Luca Rodson, President of the Federal Republic of Mordusia" |
| Date | 01:56:58, July 23, 2017 CET | From |  Federalist Party | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | To the imperialistic warmongers of Mordusia and Istalia: The actions displayed by your nations have disappointed recently-elected Viceroy Clay, and President Hamill. We have already warned Istalia against taking action against Voronan matters, so we now warn you. If any Istalian or Mordusian naval ships are spotted in Voronan waters, we will see no issue in setting up internment camps and sending any Istalian and Mordusian citizens residing in Vorona to them. Your temperament regarding our nation's affairs have been disgusting. Your threats show complete disregard for the rights of Voronan citizens and the right of our proud nation to sovereignty. It is demanded by Vorona that all potential military actions against Vorona are immediately ceased, and Vorona is left in peace. If these demands are not met, there will be consequences. To the citizens of Mordusia and Istalia: please do not let the pride, arrogance and imperialistic nature of your leaders cause any unnecessary harm to our people or your people. Let us live in peace, so that we may let you live in peace. Cordially, Minister Ronald Bullen, Defense |
| Date | 02:40:51, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Very well Minister Bullen. Sanctions it is. -President Rodson |
| Date | 02:47:56, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Mordusia First! | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | I have messaged the Voronan Government regarding their repulsive behavior and the Baltusian Government regarding their position on this matter -Minister Pauline Branson |
| Date | 03:10:27, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Mordusia First! | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is now frequently monitoring all actions made by the Veronan Government. Have begun preparing internment camps and have tightened border control as well as imposing no tariffs on trade. -Ministry of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 15:59:09, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Grand Parti Libertaire de Kanjor | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Honourable Members of the Mordusian Parliament, Kanjor would like to make it completely transparent that we in no circumstance support, sympathise, or condone slavery of any sort. In fact, I would like to put on the record that it was my party that passed the Embargo on Vorona through our Senate. In regards to our decision to block Istalia passage through the Silliers Channel, whilst part of it is due to the imperialistic nature of the move, it is also due to the current political tensions regarding Istalia. Their movement comes after the rejection of the highly controversial Resolution 23, a motion that Istalia supported, which gives the impression that this is merely them taking a resolution, which failed, into their own hands. For them to carry out this out would be inappropriate considering the recent defeat of the resolution, and therefore we are against them taking any sort of action by themselves. Furthermore, Istalia have been fiercely against any Southern Seleyan representation on the Security Council. They have fiercely resisted Rildanor's honest campaign to try and raise awareness - and more crucially, a voice - for our part of the world, and would rather they had greater influence over the Security Council. Instead they would see a puppet nation be the leading voice for our continent, a voice that has constantly forgotten the Canrillaise nations, as well as Mordusia and Saridan. In regards to military intervention to Vorona, we are against it on the grounds that it will not achieve anything. The fact is that talking will be the only way to end slavery. We have the choice whether we allow many soldiers from both sides and Voronan citizens die needlessly, or whether we talk straight away and behave like grownups. Finally, I would like to inform the Mordusian Government that we are currently attempting to ratify the Southern Seleyan Defensive Alliance. We also wish to thank you for conducting this debate and welcoming Foreign input, in an attempt to clear up and take some heat out of the situation. M. Laban Kramer Foreign Minister of Kanjor |
| Date | 22:19:30, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Thank you Minster Kramer for this extremely informative statement. This is a complicated situation but I feel that we now have a very clear understanding of the Kanjor policy with regard to this matter. I have received a message from the Libertà e Progresso Party in Istalia. They have informed us that Istalia has changed its policy with regard to the Vorona situation and they are no longer pursuing a blockade of Vorona. They made it clear to me that this change in policy is in response to international pressure against the blockade. I think this is for the best. I am about to begin work on a proposal for heavy sanctions against Vorona in response to the slavery policy. These sanctions will be in the form of an international treaty. My goal is to completely isolate Vorona politically and economically. I see no need for military action or to infringe on the Sovereignty of Vorona at this time. Hopefully this will pressure Vorona into changing her ways. If not then so be it. They will remain isolated and, with any luck, they will not even have a source for slaves. They certainly will not have a market in Mordusia for any goods produced by slaves. -President Luca Rodson of Mordusia |
| Date | 22:41:11, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Here is the latest nonsense from the Government of Vorona. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=530564 |
| Date | 23:40:26, July 23, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | We have completed the draft of the sanctions treaty against Vorona. Please let us know if you would like any changes made to the draft. We will finalize the document soon and begin the ratification process. We are also encouraging many other nation to join us in sanctioning Vorona. http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=3810 |
| Date | 00:42:01, July 24, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=84&start=370 I must admit, I am a bit disappointed in Kanjor. Kanjor has come out against the Vorona Sanctions. I must disagree with Foreign Minister Kramer and his position. Sanctions are beneficial to our nation. They protect our workers and businesses against unfair dumping of cheap products made using slave labor. They help the people who are currently enslaved. It gives them hope. The idea that Kanjor wants to propose an economic agreement with Vorona is quite disturbing to me. The slaves in Vorona will in no way benefit from this. Quite the contrary. It will only make it easier for the slave owners and the government to maintain the Slavery policy. It will make them richer. None of that will be passed on to the slaves. Does Minister Kramer think that if he creates an economic agreement with Vorona that the Slave owners will pass that weath onto the slaves through better working conditions? Anyone who thinks this is just plain mistaken. They will use the additional money/power to tighten the grip on the slaves. Regardless, I do not think this should have any effect on the South Seleyan Defensive Alliance. We may have differences with our Allies from time to time but the SSDA is not related to the Vorona slave issue. -President Rodson |
| Date | 07:39:44, July 24, 2017 CET | From | Mordusia First! | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | I have just received a message from Foreign Secretary Joshua Gould of Baltusia, that Baltusia has delegated 5000 extra troops to the Baltusian Military Bases located in Mordusia, which we have allowed as well as two cruiser class ships. That will bring us to 15,000 Baltusian troops and 4 Baltusian naval ships which are working side by side with the Mordusian military. They are here for training excersises and the Minister of Defence looks forward to meeting with our troops and the Baltusian troops next month. My message to the Baltusian troops: Welcome to the great county of Mordusia and we thank you for working with our military, conducting many excersises and so forth. If anything is needed just let the Baltusian Embassy or the Mordusian Ministry of Foreign Affairs know and we will make sure that you have a pleasant time whilst you are on duty. Pauline Branson Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 03:17:55, July 25, 2017 CET | From | Statesmen of Mordusia for Self Reliance | To | Debating the Discussion with regard to the Istalian blockade of Vorona |
| Message | Good News! Vorona is in the process of banning slavey. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=530840 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 339 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 411 |
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