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Bill: RP: Review of the Confederal Army
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alianța Liberalilor
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4289
Description[?]:
The Ministry of Defence hereby orders the review of the Confederal Army |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 21:22:10, July 30, 2017 CET | From | Alianța Liberalilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | The ministry of defence has ordered the review of the navy first because it looks like the worst part of the army. Navy The navy is a complete mess. The navy is poorly structured which means that a normal boat captain has more influence than the admiral. Therefore, we propose the introduction of Strike Groups and Coastal Defense Groups. The navy also has to choose what their future is. The current navy is based upon aircraft carriers but those have retired years ago. The choise is between trying to build/buy a new aircraft carrier or restructuring the navy into a modern sea control navy. Another issue is that the ASM’s (anti ship missiles) have not been tested against a real life target and it is not known what the true value is of every ASM. The ships of the navy are also outdated and we will give a review of every ship. Strike Group (SG) WCC (multi role) Although old, it is still a strong ship who has had multiple upgrades. It will be the leader of every SG. ACC (anti surface) Very outdated, can not survive in a battle situation. The only nations who can find a use in this ship are the third world nations. SCS (anti submarine, anti surface) Modern, well equipped. Has some problems with the AIP (air independent propulsion). KCD (anti submarine, anti aircraft) Outdated, has to be replaced soon. ACD (anti aircraft, anti missile) Very modern, will be in use for a long time. TCF (multi role) Outdated, useless in a naval battle, some use in land bombardments. DCF (multi role) Outdated, needs immense update or replacement. Northern Coastal Defense Group (CDG-N), Southern Coastal Defense Group (CDG-S) MCCo/ Outdated, can not fight against a big ship but can defend against a landing craft. ZCCo/ Old, can fight against other old corvettes but is no match against modern corvettes. TCPB/ Old but fit for the job of anti smuggling missions and anti landing craft missions, no fight against corvettes. recommendations High urgency a. Choosing between the strategies: no costs --1, Projective Navy, which are great against a ground force but weak against a naval force --2, Sea Dominance, great against naval forces and ballistic missile defense but weak in bombing the ground forces b. getting rid of the ACC which are too outdated to justify the high costs of keeping them afloat. An upgrade is too costly and it is not effective to upgrade it again. Profit unknown c. Shooting a ship, preferably an ACC, as target to improve ASM’s. costs=100m NED --1, using ASM’s launched from ships to improve the navy --2, using ASM’s launched from planes to improve the airforce Medium urgency d. Finding a replacement for the outdated KCD costs unknown e. Finding a replacement for the outdated TCF costs unknown f. Doing something with the outdated DCF costs unknown --1, updating it with the Lup de Mare SAM (surface to air missile) system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Wolf_(missile)) costs=1b NED --2, finding a replacement costs unknown g. building 3 new ACD’s costs=15b NED h. Shoot 2 DCF’s and 1 KCD as targets to improve ASM’s costs=50m NED Low urgency i. Finding a new corvette to be able to fight against modern corvettes in case of an amphibious landing. Costs unknown j. Finding a new patrol vessel. Costs unknown |
Date | 21:40:37, July 30, 2017 CET | From | Alianța Liberalilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | This is a message from the Confederate Defence Group: The Ministry of Defence and the CDG have negotiated with the Trigunian Minister of Defence and have agreed to develop a new frigate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate). The headquarters of the developementprogramme will be housed in Fluviuli. Of all the employees half of them will be from the Confederation, the other half will be from Trigunia. The costs of the developement will also be split in half. 6 frigates will be delivered to both nations, after the first 6 frigates both nations can order more. The first frigates will be delivered around 4252. The delivery of all the ships will probably be around 4256. |
Date | 22:02:10, August 01, 2017 CET | From | Alianța Liberalilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | At this moment the following reccomendations have been followed: a-2 b c-1 e g h |
Date | 16:47:53, August 11, 2017 CET | From | Alianța Liberalilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | Land Forces The infantry are now up to date as of the budget bill of 4233 which upgraded the equipment of the infantry. The infantry is the main defense force in the event of a hostile attack force from Dolgavia. Motorized divisions can not enter the mountainous border of Dolgavia. The artillery plays a bigger role than the motorized divisions in the western border area. The artillery is in a good state but not state of the art. The motorized infantry is the main component of the defense of the border in Egelion. The vehicles are not in good shape. Because of neglecting by the government for over 50 years the vehicles are in need for heavy maintenance. The good side however is that most vehicles aren’t outdated, which was a fear of the government. The 2k12 Porteşti is in a good shape but the army is in need of a better anti aircraft defense with a bigger range and a possibility to shoot down cruise missiles. The tanks are a main concern of the research group. The KT-86 is an outdated tank. This however can be changed, as we propose a upgrade program for our homemade tank. The more outdated ST-71 is a bigger problem and is in this state useless. We propose the developement of a new upgrade. |
Date | 18:05:43, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Alianța Liberalilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | OOC: Archiving |
Date | 21:20:27, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Frontul Unificat al Lucrătorilor | To | Debating the RP: Review of the Confederal Army |
Message | Oh ok. |
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