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Bill: Welfare Reform Act of 2192
Details
Submitted by[?]: DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2192
Description[?]:
| Article 1- There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income, unless the person has been deemed mentally or medically unfit to work by their doctor. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:56:57, February 21, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | How very Christian of you, Mr Archbishop Dr. Ulby Szorryboutat - President of the GDLS |
| Date | 19:42:42, February 21, 2006 CET | From | DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | 'How about you try and debate my policies, rather than make petty remarks like that?' - Archbishop Friar |
| Date | 20:31:48, February 21, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | Your policies, Mr Archbishop? In short: We don't like 'm. At all. Dr. Ulby Szorryboutat - President of the GDLS |
| Date | 22:00:16, February 21, 2006 CET | From | DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | 'Great debating there. You don't like my policies? Okay, we'll give up on them then. We'll just forget what we promised our voters we'd do when elected, because you don't like our policies. Try again, and maybe try providing an ARGUMENT. Oh, and you can't call someone "Mr Archbishop". Archbishop is my title, not Mr.' - Archbishop Friar |
| Date | 23:33:53, February 21, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | Oh, you want the longer version. That's no problem, man. A minimum income prevent citizens from falling into poverty. I think we simple cannot approve starvation, homelessness,.. The government should care about the people, not about their votes. If you want to play semantics, "Mr" can be used as a courtesy title before either the surname, full name, or professional title of a man. I see no reason why not to call you Mr Archbishop, which would be similar to Mr President.. Dr. Ulby Szorryboutat - President of the GDLS |
| Date | 00:10:16, February 22, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | I agree with the GDLS in opposing this. |
| Date | 14:03:17, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | We have to agree here with the GDLS to, so we oppose. We shall not have a society where we only care for those whom can take care of themselves financially and in other ways. |
| Date | 17:26:43, February 22, 2006 CET | From | DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | 'Let us justify this bill... The current system encourages people not to work. Anybody who is able-bodied should have to work for a living. Currently, we are taking taxes off of hard-working citizens and giving them to people who simply can't be bothered working. We recognise that some people have problems finding jobs and such, and although we sympathise with them, it's their lives and they should take responsibility for themselves. And you're wrong GLDS. Would you call somebody 'Mister Father' or 'Mister Pope'?' - Archbishop Friar |
| Date | 19:02:53, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | No it does not. It is a certain time, we do not define exactly how long the time is in the current rule. Everyone can get unemployed, everyone can come into a bad position in life, Should we then have it so that they are thrown out, and that society says "We do not care about you anymore". NO, we shall not. Apparently the DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party's financian advisor lives in a fairly land where every single individual controlls every aspect of her/his life, from salary, work, health etc. Fact is, they don't. They can get ill, making it impossible for them to work, they can come in bad situation in other ways, that is not within their controll. What you propose is basicly that those whom has bad luck, is sick, get unemployed etc, they should starve to death, or be refused adequate way of existence. I thought we had moved passed the age of barbarism. |
| Date | 21:07:12, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | We'll oppose the measure as well. We prefer the current state its in now. |
| Date | 22:23:56, February 23, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | We 100% oppose. |
| Date | 19:05:11, February 24, 2006 CET | From | DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | 'SCP, read the bill description. Anybody who is too sick to work will not be effected by this.' - Archbishop Friar |
| Date | 04:45:22, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act of 2192 |
| Message | massively defeated. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 198 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 54 |
| Random fact: Real life-life nationalities, cultures or ethnicities should not be referenced in Particracy (eg. "German"). |
| Random quote: "You have all the characteristics of a popular politician: a horrible voice, bad breeding, and a vulgar manner." Aristophanes (450 BC - 388 BC), Knights, 424 B.C. |