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Bill: Vice President
Details
Submitted by[?]: Baltusian National Party (BNP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4287
Description[?]:
| Bill to create the position of Prime Minister, to chair the cabinet. The HOS will remain the President, but no longer chairs the cabinet. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: President and Commander-in-Chief
Current: President
Proposed: President
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: President
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: Prime Minister
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:57:18, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Constitutionalist Alliance | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | You may tell Baltusian that you are not some globulist cablals, but try telling them that you are not trying to build an imperialist, un-Baltusian rubber stamp parliament! |
| Date | 12:48:14, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Secularist, Socialist Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | Members of Congress, How is having a Prime Minister imperialist? Indeed we has a Prime Minister only thirty years ago and it worked extremely well. This would make forming governments far more fair and far easier because it does not require the President to agree, this brings us away from personality politics and focuses power in the congress. We will vote yes Richard Leonardo Congressional Leader of the Secularist, Socialist Party of Baltusia Secretary of State for Finance |
| Date | 19:50:57, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Constitutionalist Alliance | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | We, the Block Bloc, are concerned that producing the Prime Minister's office, home to an unelected bureaucrat, will open to corruption from outside influences. We vote no. Dan Harpson Congressmen of the Block Bloc Secretary of State for Justice |
| Date | 21:42:20, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Secularist, Socialist Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | Congressman Harpson, Surely the Presidency is far more open to corruption than a Prime Minister would be, the President is a singular individual who can be easily bribed or bought out while the Prime Minister is a representative of the Congressional majority, the bribing of which would require the bribing of over half of all of Congress. Richard Leonardo Congressional Leader of the Secularist, Socialist Party of Baltusia Secretary of State for Finance OOC: The office of 'Secretary of State for Justice is currently held by Keith Caroll of the RAC not Dan Harpson of the Block Bloc |
| Date | 22:46:10, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Constitutionalist Alliance | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | Congressmen Leonardo Both offices are equally prone to corruption, but Presidents are elected by the people while Prime Ministers are appointed by a bunch of unelected officials who are usually bribed in some way. Dan Harpson Congressmen of the Block Bloc Secretary of State for Justice |
| Date | 22:53:33, October 14, 2017 CET | From | Secularist, Socialist Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | OOC: As I have said, you are not secretary of state for justice |
| Date | 15:20:15, October 15, 2017 CET | From | Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Vice President |
| Message | Hear Hear! What a great set of reforms! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 276 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 35 |
| Random fact: The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to ensure their "Bills under debate" section is kept in good order. Bills which are irrelevant or have become irrelevant should be deleted. Deletion can be requested for bills proposed by inactive parties on the Bill Clearout Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4363 |
| Random quote: "We never know the worth of water 'til the well is dry." - Thomas Fuller |