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Bill: End the slaughter of our youth
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2193
Description[?]:
| The Draft is a poor excuse of a means to defend our nation. It results in inexperienced men and women being killed when the are forced into a war they do not wish to fight. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:45:31, February 26, 2006 CET | From | Free Progress Alliance | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | It is also a restriction on the rights of our people to choose their own destinies. We support this bill. |
| Date | 19:55:07, February 26, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | Please, understand that this was merely an option as a last resort during war. Also, these men and women would only be serving in reservist positions, not combat zones as they would be replaced those armed servicemen who were going into combat. The Protectorates is misguided, only looking at the small picture in this case rather than the bigger picture of the entire Federation. |
| Date | 11:44:14, February 27, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | Our youth won't be laughtered! They will serve to support our soldiers, who are trained. And by god, we will avoid war at all cost. Or does the PP have other plans? |
| Date | 21:04:46, February 27, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | We have laid out our military strategy many times, which in short is thus: -Avoid war by having an open society and avoiding mutual defence or getting involved in other large treaties which put us on one side of a conflict. -defend our homeland via a strong navy and a secure northern border -if all else fails use nukes to destroy the invaders homeland, and make sure it is known before any conflict starts, that we will not fail to use them if we need to. |
| Date | 05:16:33, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | The "Protectorate" strategy is flawed in so many ways and only seeks to destroy ourselves in the end. 1. Open societies welcome war. Order must be preserved, and at times, freedoms will be sacrificed. Enemies are enemies. If we have allies, then they will help us defeat our foes. What is wrong with sharing resources/strategy for the better of the Federation? 2. Navies can only rule the seas. Once the enemy penetrates our navy what then? We start handing out AKs to untrained people? I think not. Let's have a well prepared defense force on land, sea, or in the air. Also, the "Protectorates" put so much faith in the northern nations, yet we expect much of them when we haven't contributed much ourselves. We are not part of NATO or any other international organization. Heck, we have already seen the religious violence in the Federation. So what is stopping our northern neighbors from electing a radical party and invading the Federation? There isn't any sea seperating us there... 3. "If all else fails, use nukes." What a cop out. This is the most absurd strategy ever. The "Protectorates" would rather nuke our enemies instead of seeking other options internationally or within our borders such as defending our soil with a draft if necessary. The "Protectorates" would rather have the Federation launched into the oblivion than carry the hope that some of us will win this war and keep the Federation United and under Malivianese rule. This is a flawed strategy. Nukes are not pawns in war, they are traps that ensure the other side does not nuke us. If we start making nuclear strikes because we think breaking through our navy or a northern neighbor invading is the end of the Federation, then we are deciding the end of the Federation, not our enemies. Leave the military strategy to those that have a working knowledge of it "Protectorates" and we will ensure that our Federation is protected from all enemies foreign and domestic. |
| Date | 06:03:48, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | And not worth living in. |
| Date | 06:11:46, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | We do not believe in slavery. Name an enemy of Malivia which we must defend against. If we wish to excel in every aspect of our military we must devote a large portion of our budget to this end. We do not wish to see our people's money wasted in this manner. Our goals are clear, first avoid a war by not join military treaties which force us to fight in a war we have no interest in. Second keep them from our shores with our navy and third make sure they know that we are not afraid to use nukes. The key point is the first one, do not make enemies by not being imperial. If there is a warmonger who threatens us, make sure they know the price will be high and odds are we will never fight the war. Don't kill our citizens for a war we should have never been in. |
| Date | 06:13:07, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | also note the MMP's use of the words domestic enemies. Does the MMP plan on using this army against its own citizens? |
| Date | 20:47:32, February 28, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | The Federation is worth living in as opposed to a barren wasteland thanks to a bad military strategy. This is not slavery. This is service. The key isn't the enemies we have now, but the enemies that we may have in the future. We are better off prepared now than later. A prepared military doesn't cost large amounts of money. This draft doesn't even cost large amounts of money. It is merely an optional safeguard. The "Protectorates" put too much stock in our navy and essentially put all the eggs in it. If our navy fails, then we nuke whoeever it is. This will only ensure our destruction as well as that of our enemie's. It isn't about letting them know we aren't afraid of using nuclear weapons, it is letting them know that we have them and if they nuke us, they too will die as a result of thermonuclear destruction. We are not talking about a draft for a foreign war. We are talking about a draft when our armed servicemen are defending the Federation so that people can replace them at home. The people that are dying are those that wanted to serve their people. The least any Malivianese citizen can do is respect the draft and do their part. Enemies are enemies regardless of where they are from. If the army is required to keep order in the Federation, so be it. However, we are not advocating a coup or martial law nor do we advocate the protection of enemies simply because they are Malivianese citizens. |
| Date | 15:24:07, March 01, 2006 CET | From | Free Progress Alliance | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | Then if it is service, then it should be voluntary. Non-voluntary compulsory work is slavery because it uses compulsion. |
| Date | 17:08:52, March 01, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | It isn't compulsion because it doesn't happen all the time. Please notice the "CAN" in the proposal. This is not mandatory service, merely a last resort option. |
| Date | 21:43:04, March 01, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | It is still compulsion, since the individuals cannot opt out of it. It is mandatory since when it is implemented there is no choice to not go. Again, if we have reached this point in a war, new recruits are not going to save us, especially as anyone who cares will volunteer by this point, so the draft compels only those who are the least willing to help our country. |
| Date | 00:36:23, March 02, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the End the slaughter of our youth |
| Message | It is not compulsion. While it is mandatory when enacted, this option does have the benefit of more troops. While you and us would like to think that anyone who wants to volunteer to fight would have signed up, we know for a fact that that is not the case and some people must be told to do things if things are to get done. Vote NO. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 108 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 134 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 17 |
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