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Bill: Restoring order in Selucia.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Pars Militum Petulantia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4316
Description[?]:
The law is the law. Membership to the Hosian church became mandatory long ago, yet Yeudis remain and continue to taint the people of Selucia. While In Marea did nothing to enforce the nation's legislation, Consul Cato will not be so generous towards the Yeudis. Any remaining Yeudis have 3 months to leave Selucia, and any who stay behind will feel the wrath of Selucian military police. This 3 month period will commence once this bill is passed. The de-facto police force will hunt down any Yeudis who decide to stay, and arrest them. Consul Cato has requested the military police refrain from firing upon the fugitive Yeudis unless a direct threat upon their safety is posed. The military police will not be able to locate all Yeudis themselves, so Consul Cato encourages the public the report any Yeudis in order to aid the military police. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Current: The military acts as a de-facto police force, with powers of arrest.
Proposed: The military acts as a de-facto police force, with powers of arrest.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war are treated according to the national laws of the captor power.
Current: Prisoners of war may be mistreated without legal sanction.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are enslaved.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Current: Police officers carry military-grade equipment.
Proposed: Police officers carry military-grade equipment.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 20:09:37, December 09, 2017 CET | From | Clara Aurora - COSIRA | To | Debating the Restoring order in Selucia. |
Message | As soon as this bill passes,In Marea-Civis Sinistram will appeal this measures to the Supreme Court. The Fascist Regimen Immutata have fallen in disgrace, they are just murders disguised as politicians who want to see our nation breaking down. Orion Sideris, Spokesperson of In Marea-Civis Sinistram |
Date | 14:58:02, December 10, 2017 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Restoring order in Selucia. |
Message | Dear members of the Selucian government and the Selucian parliament, the government of Beiteynu is known for its hard line right-wing policies and its very conservative stance on the economy but also on social topics. We are politically not far apart. But instead of forming alliances against the liberal Istalians my government is saddened to see that we resort to infighting and the persecution of the yeudis. My government suggests bilateral negotiations to solve any problems the Selucian government might have with the Yeudis and looking forward on the other hand to build a strong military partnership amongst our countries. Signed Ewald Grünbaum, ambassador of Beiteynu to Selucia |
Date | 19:02:19, December 10, 2017 CET | From | Pars Militum Petulantia | To | Debating the Restoring order in Selucia. |
Message | If the Democratic Yeudish Party wishes to influence the bill of "Restoring order in Selucia" they may engage in its debate. While the Fascist Regime will certainly not halt the persecution of Yeudis in Selucia, we have shown our lenience by allowing Yeudis this extended grace period to leave without consequences. If Beitenyu wishes to offer refuge to Selucian Yeudis, we encourage them to do so as it takes the burden off of our shoulders. The Selucian Right Wing Alliance has agreed to set apart 1,000,000,000 SEN from the Selucian defence fund in order to aid with the relocation of Yeudis, but will offer no more. We would like to emphasize that the Selucian Right Wing Alliance has no interest in negotiating with Yeudis. The Democratic Yeudish Party may have similar right-wing policies and a conservative stance on the economy, but as long as its run by Yeudis we do not wish to move forwards with furthering any kind of partnership between our nations. As we've said, any Yeudis remaining after the 3 month period will be vulnerable to persecution and will be seen as fugitives. This will apply to all Yeudis, which includes any Beiteynun Yeudis within the embassy. If you wish to keep your embassy employees in Selucia safe, we recommend you withdraw them and shut down your embassy in Selucia as well. Consul Marcus Antonius Marinus Cato Fascist Regimen Immutata Selucian Right Wing Alliance |
Date | 11:29:40, December 11, 2017 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Restoring order in Selucia. |
Message | Dear members of the Selucian government and parliament, it is certainly not our wish to influence the hournable and ancient democracy of Selucia. My job as an ambassador is it to communicate solely the position of my government. Why does the SRWA have an objection to unite against the real enemy: communism and instead tries to divide the anti-communist countries? Again we strongly condem these words and ask the Selucian government firmly to step back from this initative. It not only thratens the economic stability of Selucia but furthermore it inflicts severe diplomatic repercussions. The government of Beiteynu has obtained support from countries across the region in case this act should pass. Therefore we suggest that a ngeotiated settlement to the problem could be more sensable than outright confrontation. Signed Ewald Grünbaum, ambassador of Beiteynu to Selucia OOC: This law does not comply to the rp-standards laid out by the moderation. |
Date | 17:00:32, December 11, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the Restoring order in Selucia. |
Message | (Nothing to do with my party but I do control the APC) QUIRINUS XIII EPISCOPUS AURORIAE SERVUS PIORUM To the Faithful brothers and sisters in the Spirit of Selucia, GREETING, PEACE AND EVERY BLESSING OF OUR LORD: (...) I exhort you, brothers and sisters in the Spirit, to afford to the persecuted faithful of other confessions, particularly to our Yeudish Brothers and Sisters, for the sake of Our Lord, every assistance and asylum to shelter them from persecution in your Churches. For has Our Lord not said of His church: "This is the House of the Lord and the Gate of Heaven", and thus put these most holy places, and allegorically all communities of the Faithful, beneath the Lord's just gaze? God shall surely grant the remission of your sins for undertaking the preservation of a people which He has honoured among the peoples of Terra, and chosen to make His name known. Remember, brothers and sisters, that the Pure and Holy Word of God, in man incarnate, was High Priest of the children of the First Word, and is still our eternal High Priest. As the Lord says through the Prophet Jonathan: "Comfort ye, my people, I shall come to save - for I am the Faithful One, the God of Ariel, your Saviour." We condemn all those who would persecute others for their faith, particularly those to whom we are so closely connected through Him, our God and our Saviour in Hiding. Peace, grace and blessing be with you all from God and Spirit, remain with you always, and strengthen you to watch for His Light, QUIRINUS XIII ARCHIP. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 466 | ||||
no | Total Seats: 284 | ||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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