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Bill: OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito degli Agricoltori - NCD
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4359
Description[?]:
| Would like to introduce the 'American system'. There are 2 political parties and each of us play a faction within those two parties: For example: Party A: Center-left -centrists People can play in there as; Liberals Social Democrates Establishment Left Populists Centrists Religious-left Union Intrests Party B: Centre-right-right wing: people could play there as; Centrists Establishment Right-wing populists Religious-right Big Business interest We could change President in Head of State and Government. The two parties could for example hold primeries for Presidential elections play internal conflicts ... Just my thoughts to make things more interesting and keeping Istalia alive and make forming governments much more easy! |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:14:44, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | Hmm, this is interesting however this was almost impossible before when we had no left parties. Also, we have a political system like in Germany (ironically the situation of political impasse is a mirror image of it rn) and it keeps things real. Finally, there are too many differences which would complicate gameplay and make compromise coalitions, like LP-PNI before impossoble to achieve. We could however form transpartisan groups following your example which would work together, but this has kinda already happened naturally. |
| Date | 13:46:21, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | I have to say that such a system can work with a x sure number of party, more or less balanced and such a system rely strongly on the players. The two recent elections saw something like 5 parties which then deseappeared suddenly. One episode such this when enforcing this system and all it would be paralized or broken. And, we cannot obblige the parties to play only as a "caucus" of a two party system. We have also to think that this is a game where players come and go very easily and are quite free to act whatever they want (only the cultural protocols and some RP law can be enforced, such a system would be not enforceable). I have perplexity for this. Look at the electoral law "honoris". It's years that it is ignored because there were difficulties to form coalitions like during the 4100's |
| Date | 14:04:02, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | I'd have to agree with Mr I want to murder myself. We could try to organize the groups (I've tried to do that like four times now, subliminally, with all the official opposition, official shadow cabinet stuff). |
| Date | 19:25:43, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | Sorry, who is "Mr I want murder myself"? |
| Date | 21:00:25, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | Shinitai means I want to kill, or rather murder myself in Japanese. At least that's what Filthy Frank said. |
| Date | 23:37:43, December 23, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | OOC: AHAHAHAHAHAHA FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICED THE REFERENCE |
| Date | 05:50:13, December 24, 2017 CET | From | Lega Giusnaturalistica | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | I think something similar could be achieved with stronger electoral coalitions. It is my understanding that before I came along to Istalia, there were coalitions that set out ahead of time what they would try and do and who they would back for President of the Republic. I would be opposed to moving to a 2 party system - the multiparty aspect is what makes the game so much fun for me as an American - but solidifying coalitions may work. |
| Date | 07:05:58, December 24, 2017 CET | From | Partito degli Agricoltori - NCD | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | With a shadow cabinet like ULD proposed, so that after an election we wouldnt lose much time to install new cabinets (if all parties are active within the alliance) therefore i think we should give the nationmaster back the authority to ask for deactivation after 48hours of inactivity. |
| Date | 11:43:52, December 25, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the OOC: idea and thoughts on gameplay: 2party system -- bill cleanup, vote no. |
| Message | The party coalitions are possible. They worked very well. If you go back to see the history between 4150 and 4200 you can see that the two coalitions system worked for half a century and was quite stable, with sostantially two presidential candidate in each elections and a tendency to a stable alternance. But, I have to say that, as mentioned by PNI, seems that there is a lack of leftist party... And I don't understand why the last ones appeared had so brief life... :P |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 385 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 120 |
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