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Bill: Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324
Details
Submitted by[?]: Freiheitsdemokraten
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 4325
Description[?]:
| Hea Purashidento, Militarily autonomy is a necessity for the survival of any free society - to ensure the inviability of the kind of tyranny we were under in the close past - and for a vibrant, autonomous warrior tradition. The FKL seeks to ensure this by enshrining the right to bear arms and to form groups whose activities revolve around these weapons, which is a logical continuation of the right to assembly and the freedom of association. One condition will however be that these groups will have no political agenda. We believe that this is in line with classical liberal and Hosian Democratic values on developing a strong civil society and empowering traditional communities. Konsutanzu Bōgeru FKL Defence Hilgar |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Appointment of military officers
Old value:: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Current: The head of government is responsible for the appointment of military officers.
Proposed: Individual units elect their officers.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the usage of drones and UAV's
Old value:: The government approves of the usage of armed drones and UAVs for reconnaissance and military operations.
Current: The government approves of the usage of unarmed drones and UAVs for reconnaissance.
Proposed: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change National military policy.
Old value:: The nation retains a full time, professional army, navy and air force.
Current: The nation retains a full time, professional army, navy and air force.
Proposed: The government retains a part time, professional army, navy and air force in alignment with paramilitary groups
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government's position on paramilitaries.
Old value:: Paramilitaries are illegal and the recognized government may intervene freely to stop any possible activity.
Current: Paramilitaries are allowed but are heavily regulated by the government.
Proposed: Paramilitaries are allowed but are heavily regulated by the government.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Current: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Proposed: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:30:40, December 28, 2017 CET | From |  Fonikusubūegangu | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Hea Purashidento, Eliminating all restrictions on the export of weapons would simply be careless. Morishige Yasunobu MdR MdR for Kien Kirchstadt Sutātsuminisutā / Staatsminister / Kokumu-daizin |
| Date | 17:37:39, December 28, 2017 CET | From | Freiheitsdemokraten | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Hea Purashidento, And why would that be? A citizen's weapon is not the government's property. We need to stop thinking like we were still politicians in an unfree country. Konsutanzu Bōgeru FKL Defence Hilgar |
| Date | 18:21:14, December 28, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Gicho-sama, The government is committed to the principle of a monopoly of legitimate force. We shall not support any bill which legalises paramilitary activity. hijo ni rippana Kinuye Arinaga, MdR (HDV - Hilgar) Defence Minister |
| Date | 18:22:56, December 28, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, I should like to add that the HDV-NKHP fraction considers this a point of principle, and would urge its government colleagues not to support any version of this bill that infringes on the principle of the monopoy of violence. shr. ehrw. Theophilus, Freiherr von Geraniengau, MdR (NKHP - Geraniengau und Hortensiengau) HDV-NKHP Klubobmann |
| Date | 18:36:30, December 28, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Herrr Präsident, Further to the point, I should like to note that we have nothing against the Mitranian Dorfswehr groups, which are grounded in local culture, but which also do not fire anything but blanks and ceremonial salutes and can hardly be seen as paramilitaries under the scope of the current law. shr. ehrw. Kinuye Arinaga, MdR (HDV - Hilgar) Defence Minister |
| Date | 19:26:58, December 28, 2017 CET | From | Fonikusubūegangu | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Hea Purashidento, Would the FKL, if they believe placing regulations on arms exports makes a country somehow unfree, prefer to face the alternative where arms manufacturers could freely sell armaments to truly unfree regimes? Morishige Yasunobu MdR MdR for Kien Kirchstadt Sutātsuminisutā / Staatsminister / Kokumu-daizin |
| Date | 22:18:17, December 28, 2017 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the LVP agrees with permissive individual gun rights and would support the corresponding provision. The remainder of the bill, however, does not elicit our support. Classical liberals support limited government, but within the core responsibilities of the state we must retain an untainted monopoly on legitimate force - I fully concur with Herr Arinaga on this point. The right to form paramilitaries does not flow from individual gun ownership, because individual gun rights do not allow for acting in lieu or for complementing responsibilites of the military. Christina von Track, MdR (LVP - Marchau-Ettenheim) Justizministerin |
| Date | 10:53:11, December 29, 2017 CET | From | Freiheitsdemokraten | To | Debating the Miritārisuku ōtōnōmie, 4324 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, What these 'Liberals' seem to forget is that the state is not some kind of magical entity that exists in a vaccum somewhere but derives its legitimacy from the people and the people alone. It has no right to tell its citizens that they cannot form whatever organizations they want or do whatever they want with their property, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's property. That kind of tyrannical mentality gave us the Hulstrian one-party state. Furthermore, it's not my business to tell anyone who they can sell their property to or not. We cannot ban everything we might privately consider immoral. We need an autonomous warrior caste to protect our local communities and our septembrist values from the horrors of tyranny. Jörg Glücksman |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 158 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 379 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 106 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson |