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Bill: Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority

Details

Submitted by[?]: Hosian-Konservative Allianz

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 4332

Description[?]:

Restoration of the following law: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=440947

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date02:38:07, January 12, 2018 CET
From Soziale Gegenseitigkeitspartei
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageOn behalf of the people of Dorvik, we condemn any bill that elevates a man who is not working over one who is.

Date17:19:46, January 12, 2018 CET
From Grüne Demokratische Partei
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageThe idea of nobility goes against everything human life should be about. We should start at the bottom, and work our ways to the top.

Céline Schroeder
State Chancellor
Co-Leader of the Bright Alliance

Date17:57:46, January 12, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageOOC: I’ll explain once again that the use of titles and the existence of the Dorvish nobility is similar to Germany and Austria where nobility is still apart of the names and they maintain them to some degree. It doesn’t mean that they have any power but I’ve had this debate endlessly and it seems people cannot fathom that this does not mean an aristocracy.

Date17:57:55, January 12, 2018 CET
From Neue Ära
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageI cannot understand the logic of those voting against this? It is simply allowing people to be granted the titles and use the titles. It doesn't come with money, or any such 'status' it allows those whose family have a title to pass it down and those that have done well in life to be rewarded with one.

Erwin Simons,
Leader of Unsere

Date22:06:22, January 12, 2018 CET
From Soziale Gegenseitigkeitspartei
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageMr Simons,

We don't have a problem with people having titles. We have a problem with these powers being embedded in government in any way. Titles are not currently outlawed, there is nothing preventing a private party from granting them.

(OOC: SNP, this argument is nonsense. The current law literally states that the use of titles is not forbidden. You are proposing that we go from a situation where people can use titles to one where those titles convey political powers.)

Date22:52:25, January 12, 2018 CET
From Neue Ära
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageYou are truly failing to see the point, it can be designated by a public body, namely the monarchy that still exists in this country. They would be able to grant their title, and my deputy leader, Ms Wu, would be able to claim her family title.

Erwin Simons,
President of Unsere

Date23:48:03, January 12, 2018 CET
From Soziale Gegenseitigkeitspartei
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageHerr Simons,

As our monarchy does carry the title of Head of State, it is not covered by our existing legislation. There is nothing preventing our monarch from granting titles, and nothing stopping people from claiming them. Granting additional political rights to the positions is a step in the wrong direction.

Elly Vogt
Leader of the SGP

Date00:15:37, January 13, 2018 CET
From Soziale Gegenseitigkeitspartei
ToDebating the Law on the Restoration of Dorvish Nobility Titles and Authority
MessageCorrection:

*As our monarchy does NOT carry the title of Head of State

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Voting

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Total Seats: 270

no
    

Total Seats: 195

abstain
  

Total Seats: 93


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