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Bill: Sanctions against New Englia

Details

Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Kommunistische Partei

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 4343

Description[?]:

Mr. Speaker,

The government of New Englia is guilty of grave human and civil rights abuses, particularly in terms of how the minority Inglian (OOC: mainly English) government is mistreating the majority Onglian (OOC: mainly Irish) population, who are denied some of the most basic liberties, including the right to vote.

As a great power, a Security Council member and a nation geographically close to New Englia, Dorvik surely has a moral responsibility to take a lead in this situation. So far, we have failed to take action, and the President of Trigunia has called us out over this (OOC: see http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6768&start=680#p128733 ).

Now is the time for us to finally do something. My proposal is that effective immediately, a complete trade embargo should be imposed on New Englia, and all assets in Dorvik belonging to senior members of the New Englian regime should be frozen.

Klaus Erdmann
(General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party)

OOC: As some of you might know, I currently RP New Englia, and the thread is here: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=7766

Any questions, please feel free to fire away :).

Also, to get a feel for how close New Englia is geographically to Dorvik, please check out the in-game "World Map" (bearing in mind Terra is round) with the Third World map here: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/particracy/images/5/5c/Dovani_Squibble_and_Vascania_Political.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/691?cb=20160309003755

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date03:08:33, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I'm not quite sure how I feel about getting involved in something where a party personally tied to a country getting involved is. It's a huge part of the reason that I never interacted much with Ostland when it was underneath my control.

Date03:09:02, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: Also please in the future please put RP tags on things that might involve RP.

Date03:30:47, February 02, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I think we can all see this is a bill about imposing sanctions on New Englia, so a "RP" tag isn't exactly essential here.

As stated, New Englia is geographically very close to Dorvik, and this is an opportunity for Dorvik to become involved in some New Englia-related RP. I do not believe my being the RP controller of New Englia as well as RPing a party in Dorvik ought to be a problem, as I am capable of separating the two, and RPing both New English and the Dorvish Communist Party realistically/reasonably. I could also point out that the Dorvish Communist Party is just 1 of 9 parties in Dorvik (and doesn't even have any seats at the moment!).

But if there's not an enthusiasm for going ahead with this, then that's fine and I'll respect that, of course. As I say, though, I do think this is a potentially interesting opportunity.

Date03:48:21, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I don't really see the Dorvish "role" in New Englia, what would be the point of them getting involved? Dorvik is pretty selective where it sticks it's nose. Simply stating that they are "close" doesn't really provide a reason for the Dorvish to become involved.

It's been a pretty general consensus in Dorvik to tag things that are OOC as "OOC" and things that are RP as "RP" and if they're both, they're usually tagged as such. I've tried to stay away from a formal convention, but if we have to adopt one, we certainly will. Thanks for you're comments though!

Date11:39:48, February 02, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: My party leader presented his case for Dorvik to get involved in the bill description. To summarise:

- Serious human and civil rights abuses are going on in New Englia.

- Dorvik has a moral responsibility to respond to this, particularly as she is a neighbouring country, an important Terran power and an elected member of the World Congress's Security Council. Also, the President of Trigunia has just called Dorvik out over her inaction thus far, so there is a degree of international pressure involved as well.

If your party wishes to oppose this argument and this bill ICly, then I'm absolutely fine with that, of course. (Parties do sometimes vote bills down in Particracy after all, its one of those things!)

Respectfully, the fact you OOCly think New Englia is of no interest to Dorvik should not by itself mean Dorvik cannot get involved. There are 9 parties in this nation, and you control only 8 of them.

All I'm asking is that you drop your OOC objection to this RP and engage with it ICly instead, since I feel that would be more constructive. And more fun, as well.

Date12:49:05, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: Im presenting the possible outcomes because as I’ve chatted with Moderation and members of the RP team, any sort of RP should be planned OOCly, that is simply what I’m doing first and then I’ll make my decision ICly when we’ve possibly flushed out the details.

Date13:04:49, February 02, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: This is natural/spontaneous RP, not something really complicated that needs to be planned out in advance in great detail. It's really not that difficult.

What has happened is that the Dorvish Communist Party has proposed a bill imposing sanctions on New Englia, and other parties now have an opportunity to respond to that.

Date13:40:56, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: Well what is your role in all this then? How would you believe that Dorvik intervene?

Date13:44:36, February 02, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: Obviously as per the bill description, the Dorvish Communist Party is proposing that Dorvik impose sanctions on New Englia, To quote from my party leader's speech:

"My proposal is that effective immediately, a complete trade embargo should be imposed on New Englia, and all assets in Dorvik belonging to senior members of the New Englian regime should be frozen."

Date13:46:57, February 02, 2018 CET
From Neue Ära
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: This does certainly need to be planned properly. The reason Dorvik got invoked in D&N was a common bond of culture and past relations, not to my knowledge has Dorvik had much to do with New Englia, if we wanted to start, I would recommend freezing assets of senior government figures rather than anything else for now.

Date13:59:38, February 02, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I’m trying to make sure and clarify your position, we can forgo the hostilities. I’d also like to make a note, ive never said I wasn’t interested. I just have my reservations; which as far as I know, I’m still permitted to have.

Date00:13:27, February 03, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I'm on here because my life is humdrum and I want to have some fun. Why not get involved? What's the harm? Gotta be better than the cluster of war we just had, right? The effects of the embargo could be some good storyline.

Date00:17:45, February 03, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageOOC: I'll also point out, of course, that not imposing sanctions could be just as interesting as imposing sanctions. The New Englian government would desperate appreciate having Dorvik as an ally (or at least as a nearby powerful nation which isn't an enemy and allows trade etc.).

Date00:33:46, February 03, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageHerr Speaker,

We condemn the move to impose sanctions on the New Englian government, we are aware that the Onglian Liberation Army has turned towards Metzism and we expect that the incoming government to be perceptive to anti-Communist and anti-Socialist activities throughout the world. Therefore we do not agree to impose sanctions on the New Englian government, however we condemn the Onglian Liberation Army and we intend to oversee the abuses that the Communist and Socialist militia movement have committed.

Karlheinz Hans von Färber,
Foreign Minister of the Kingdom of Dorvik

Date00:47:26, February 03, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Landvolkpartei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageHerr Speaker,

Any activity in which we are to undertake must be made in with utmost transparency. While the DLVP cautiously supports these efforts, several questions remain.

- What exactly is the goal of these sanctions? What do the Communists hope to achieve?
- What is the purpose of Dorvik's intervention? In what way will we benefit?
- Do the Communists stand to benefit from such actions, either politically or financially?
- Will such actions promote Communism or the eventual persecution of all or parts of the Inglian peoples?

Until these are answer in full and satisfactorily, the DLVP cannot support this action?

Krista Edith Ilse von Loë
DLVP Chairwoman

Date00:58:50, February 03, 2018 CET
From Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageMr. Speaker,

The objective of these sanctions would be to make clear to the New Englian government that their continued mistreatment of their own citizens is completely unacceptable, and that they cannot continue to do this without consequences. Dorvik is a major world power and an elected member of the Security Council. We have a moral obligation to take a stand. If we do not do so, other nations will call us out - and rightly so.

Klaus Erdmann
(General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party)

Date04:24:44, February 03, 2018 CET
From Hosian-Konservative Allianz
ToDebating the Sanctions against New Englia
MessageHerr Speaker,

We encourage those who do not wish to support the Communist and Socialist in New Englia, who oppose the democratically elected government to support our Proclamation of Support for the New Englian Government (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=556483).

Oskar von Kielholz, Prince of Kielholz
State Council Deputy & Chief of the State Leadership Council (DAP)

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