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Bill: Cabinet Proposal Change
Details
Submitted by[?]: Malivia Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2195
Description[?]:
| This would only allow the larger parties to propose a cabinet. This makes sense as larger parties deserve a chance in the cabinet and it would also avoid the issue of lets say a HoS not proposing a cabinet so someone else still could. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the largest party can propose a cabinet.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:10:23, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | Give your opinions. This I think is best for our nation because now the largest party unless they opt to make a cabinet excluding themselves, will atleast have the largest party in some area which makes sense as they were voted #1 by the people. Also, people should keep in mind regardless if this passes or not to leave cabinet proposals in debate atleast 2 months or so atleast people can compromise on positions, add or remove parties from the prosal. |
| Date | 18:00:15, March 03, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | We of course, disagree the result often would be waiting on the new leader to propose a cabinet, or a coalition which has a clear majority but did not win HoS could be blocked from an active form of government. Our current method results in change being possible and easy to implement. For instance the old cabinet had members which had gone inactive, If the HoS wished they could leave those seats vacant to retain power. The current method ensures that the current government reflects the will of the people, for although the People's Party is the largest party they are not a majority. The people vote for our HoS directly, this does no necessarily mean they wish to lead the government, for that is the job of the HoG. The HoS represents the nation and the qualifications are different for the two positions. One is a diplomatic position while the other is a manager. |
| Date | 18:17:49, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | We are not sure how to vote on this issue... we lean with HoS, however we also see the Protectorates' point... |
| Date | 19:52:53, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | "The current method ensures that the current government reflects the will of the people" Then why was my party voted number one and left out of the cabinet altogether? Doesn't seem like the will of the people to me. |
| Date | 19:58:01, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | This past election... Out of 85.74% of the votes (subtracted out IRPs since he left)... People's Party 20.58% I'm guessing to the Protectorates that this amount of the population doesn't matter and thats why they left out the People's Party as they almost always do. |
| Date | 20:01:15, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | Proposal changed to: Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition. Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition. Proposed: Only the largest parties can propose a cabinet. - This will ensure that the larger parties form the coalition and that incase the HoS didn't make a cabinet another party still could. |
| Date | 21:21:23, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | same issues occur when we limit it to the largest party. Consider extreme case of 7 parties sharing a similar philosophy and capturing on average 12 percent of the vote each. (total 84 percent of the vote) The remaining party captures the remaining 16 percent. Under the People's Party proposal these 7 parties will be unable to form a government as this power remain solely with the remaining party. Thus the will of the majority must bend to the minority on how the government will be run. When we have 8 to 9 active parties it is highly likely that votes will be split across similar parties and thus we should not look at who has a majority to themselves rather, which parties wish to work together and command the majority. |
| Date | 22:15:37, March 03, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | Ok the odds on this game of getting 12 percent in 7 parties is 0. So that argument is pointless. You say which parties wish to work together. Its not about who wants to work together. Its about parties voted by the people getting a cabinet seat which you obviously opposed in the past and continue to do so. Take your Religious Communist Government type to another nation. |
| Date | 00:30:36, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Free Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | No. All parties are capable of good ideas. It is how the parties vote that trully matters. |
| Date | 02:44:14, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal Change |
| Message | We like the compromise the People's Party has offered and will vote for it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 111 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 112 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 19 |
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