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Bill: Gun Ownership Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party of Vorona
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4363
Description[?]:
| Mentally healthy and law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: Where weapons are carried, this must be done openly.
Current: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Proposed: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:38:02, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Trade Union and Socialist Coalition | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | We will oppose this bill also, as the low gun ownership rate in Vorona is a good thing to prevent senseless massacre |
| Date | 00:29:14, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | Senseless massacre can also be prevented, though, through the ownership of guns by private citizens. Also, this massacre you speak of will not happen if we prohibit mentally ill or criminal individuals from buying guns. And if there were to be a massacre, it would be stopped by private gun owning citizens fighting back. |
| Date | 09:48:52, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Trade Union and Socialist Coalition | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | That argument simply isn't backed up by evidence or experience. A “good guy with a gun" can often fail to hit the target, and may even kill more people. It's also easy to see that if the overall stick of guns in Vorona increases then their is more of a chance of someone still unable to buy them because of issues around mental health issues being able to obtain one. |
| Date | 14:38:03, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | We do understand your concerns, and would there be any way to compromise on the articles of the bill? |
| Date | 16:24:25, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Trade Union and Socialist Coalition | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | We appreciate your attempts to reach out for a consensus, which bodes well for the future, unfortunately we struggle to see where we could compromise on this issue |
| Date | 16:58:05, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | Would removing article 1 change your stance on the bill? |
| Date | 17:59:05, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Trade Union and Socialist Coalition | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | Unfortunately not, if someone is going to shoot up a group of innocent people I don't think they'll be worried about whether they can carry their weapon concealed or not, we can't let them get their hands on weapons at all |
| Date | 18:04:40, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | Thank you for the input, but before moving this forward, we would like to hear the opinions of the other two parties holding seats. |
| Date | 18:31:38, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Crown Federalist Party Of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | We agree with Cons., but unfortunately, CPV is going to vote no. It is so freaking, that sensible opinions do not defeat unsensible ones. |
| Date | 19:16:02, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Trade Union and Socialist Coalition | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | CFPV that's the democracy we both cherish as members of “democrats for discourse" 😁 |
| Date | 23:30:13, March 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | This bill has been changed to reverse the effects of the Gun Ownership Restriction bill. |
| Date | 01:42:12, March 13, 2018 CET | From | Communist Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | We would like to ask directly to the CrFPOV to participate in the current parliamentary commission if they really love to talk about "sensible and unsensible opinions". We can make a compromise, but first you need to specify clearly how does it work this new license conditions. |
| Date | 02:27:18, March 13, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party of Vorona | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Act |
| Message | Just like you need practice and tests to get a drivers license, a gun license would be similar but to a more extreme extent. The adult that would like to own a gun must go through hours upon hours of classroom time to understand situations when to use a gun, the parts of a gun, and gun safety. Not only will they be doing classroom time, but the teachers will be evaluating during that time if they are in the right psychological mindset to own a gun. Next, the applicants would go through hands on time with certified, professional instructors to teach them aim, recoil control, upon other things. In the end the applicants would have to take a written test on the topics discussed in school, a hands on exam on how to use a gun properly, and a psychological exam by psychologists. If they have passed all this then there will be licensed to only own the gun that they practiced and learned with, as each type of gun requires different training. This is not to the extent our party wants for a gun reform bill, but we are more that happy to compromise for more logical gun control laws. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 287 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 271 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 192 |
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