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Bill: National Pension System
Details
Submitted by[?]: Neo-Liberal Party of Trigunia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2196
Description[?]:
| To begin the starting and foundations of a competent welfare state. Thus, we propose that Trigunia actively participate in supporting the disadvantaged for the benefit of the whole nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state does not provide child benefit.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:09:16, March 06, 2006 CET | From |  Neo-Liberal Party of Trigunia | To | Debating the National Pension System |
| Message | We believe that for a state to progress that all people must be guaranteed the most basic standard of living through the government that represents them. We believe that the people deserve to be granted government benefits to achieve this standard. |
| Date | 18:45:28, March 06, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the National Pension System |
| Message | Ok, 'competent welfare state' is an oxymoron. When you create a monolithic bureaucracy with all the power of the state and protected from competition, competency is impossible. If the state were so good at providing welfare, you wouldn't need to compel anyone, since everyone would sign up. You only need to make it compulsory because it will be expensive and bad. Let's look at each item in turn: 1. Child benefit. Here's an idea - if you can't afford to bring up a child, don't have one. Take some personal responsibility rather than stealing from people who do take responsibility for themselves. 2. Minimum income. Pay people not to work. What a great idea. How can an idea like that possibly fail? Well, it fails like this: you take my money, which means I have less money to spend, which means that the aggregate production in the nation is less than it would otherwise be, which means that there is less employment, which means that there are more people sitting on welfare consuming my money (of course, this money is now lower than it was when it was taken from me, because it has gone through the mess of the state and thus been frittered away on endless bureaucrats). Since there are more people on welfare, you raise taxes, which means that I am having more of my money taken away, which means I have less money to spend, which means national production is less than it would otherwise be, etc, and so on until all of us who actually generate wealth ask why we are wasting our efforts on paying people to be idle, and leave the country (and I am speaking from experience). As the higher earning people escape the country, you have to raise taxes further to keep the money coming in to pay the idle to sit around doing nothing, which further and further stunts production and growth (you can see this in real life by looking at Europe). 3. Forced pension system. Great, I have my money taken from me to spend on a state pension scheme. A pension scheme that unlike all the compulsory pension schemes that have ever gone before it, will be really good? If you want to look after the poor by throwing money at them, you are welcome to do so, but do it with your money, not mine. I want to be able to spend my money on actually employing people so that they can live AND do something useful. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 129 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 355 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 71 |
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