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Bill: Protest Against Unethical Politicizing

Details

Submitted by[?]: Progressive Conservatives

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 2197

Description[?]:

This motion calls upon Aldegarians to explicitly condemn The Republican Party for its unethical conduct and methods of politicizing in the legislature. The Republican Party frequently introduces long pieces of legislation with entirely unrelated proposals, a practice that is detrimental to the health of our democratic institution and obstructs progress in our great nation.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date01:34:28, March 08, 2006 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the Protest Against Unethical Politicizing
MessageGuess the PCs can't take some competition....

Date02:20:25, March 08, 2006 CET
From Ducal Delegation
ToDebating the Protest Against Unethical Politicizing
MessageI would strongly encourage the Republican Party to continue to propose as much legislation as possible, since this will both raise their 'visibility' level and enable them to win seats (which takes time and work in this game) and keep Aldegarian politics exciting. I encourage the other parties which don't have any seats yet to do the same.

Whilst the Republican Party are within their rights to propose mammoth bills with multiple, unrelated articles, I would advise them to do so more sparingly because it can infuriate other parties who support some articles but oppose others! My own party, the Ducal Delegation, has so far supported these bills when they have contained more that we supported than objected to. However, if these 'mammoth bills' keep being proposed this will affect how we view the Republican Party as a political partner, and may make us less enthusiastic about working with them in future Cabinets.

My party intends to abstain on this motion, but hopes the Republican Party will take note of our concerns and will change the way they introduce legislation (but PLEASE carry on introducing lots of legislation :-) ).


Percy Waterman
(Personal Secretary to the Grand Duke of Hikirena)

Date03:00:57, March 08, 2006 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the Protest Against Unethical Politicizing
MessageNoted, and that is why I am proposing like this. We need activity here! We need seats spread out more, more proposals. I am for a strong, but limited government.

Date01:22:25, March 09, 2006 CET
FromProgressive Conservatives
ToDebating the Protest Against Unethical Politicizing
MessageIf the Republican Party insists to continue these unethical practices, the PC Party will rule out any possibility of participating in a coalition government in which the Republican Party is also a member in the future. Notice that the PC Party is not opposed to having more legislation; in fact, we've recently proposed a constitutional amendment to increase proposal quotas. We condemn the Republican Party for repeatedly introducing legislation with entirely unrelated proposals. Despite the Republican Party's assurances here, the PC Party points out that the Republican Party has, once again, introduced a new piece of legislation with entirely unrelated proposals (how prostitution has anything to do with selling food, we have yet to figure out).

If the current coalition partners - Ducal and Aldegar Liberty, wish to include the Republicans in the cabinet in the future, the PC Party will back out of the coalition. Notice that in this event, the government will not have sufficient votes to command a majority in the legislature. We will reconsider our position once the Republicans cease their unethical behaviour.

Date10:40:46, March 09, 2006 CET
From Ducal Delegation
ToDebating the Protest Against Unethical Politicizing
MessageMy own view is that Bills with multiple articles are okay every now and then; in fact, they are part of what politics is about, because they force parties to weigh-up the pros and cons of all of the articles taken together as a whole and decide whether to vote yay or nay. For my liking, we have had rather too many of these in recent years, however.

The Republican Party has been the main proposer of these kind of Bills recently, but they are not the only ones; check out, for example, http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=56376 (sponsored by the Marxist Party), or http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=56473 (sponsored by the Progressive Conservatives), or http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=53209 (sponsored by the Aldegar Liberty Party).

Ultimately, every party is entitled to propose whatever Bills with whatever articles they want, but I would suggest that after all the rush and excitement we've had recently (which has been enjoyable), we begin to use these mammoth bills more sparingly in the long-term.


Percy Waterman
(Personal Secretary to the Grand Duke of Hikirena)


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Voting

Vote Seats
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Total Seats: 300

no
  

Total Seats: 88

abstain
   

Total Seats: 113


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