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Bill: Reforming taxes bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan Social Democrat Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4378
Description[?]:
| I believe we need to encourage more buying of luxury goods and become more attractive for larger corporations. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 33
Current: 15
Proposed: 30
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on essential goods such as food and non-luxury clothing.
Old value:: 0
Current: 5
Proposed: 10
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 45
Current: 20
Proposed: 40
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:00:24, April 13, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | Extremely strongly opposed. Sales taxes on essential goods are an utter atrocity. To put it mildly. Mildly opposed to the other two; if forced to choose, we'd certainly much rather have the imprudent deficit, than any, absolutely and totally unacceptable, sales tax on essential goods. |
| Date | 13:30:46, April 13, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | We're certainly open to a compromise. KPJP are willing to stop opposing a moderately deficit-producing bill (for example, the two tax reductions in this bill), and thereby to let such a bill pass, since this looks to be very important to you; in return for your solemnly swearing upon your own life and your children's lives, and eternal souls, to NEVER again propose any sales tax on essential goods, and additionally to likewise always and unfailingly vote AGAINST any sales tax on essential goods proposed by any other party, ever. Is it a deal? |
| Date | 13:33:10, April 13, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | "the two tax reductions in this bill" Re-proposed in a different bill, of course, one without the ghastly other provision above. No way are we switching our vote on this particular bill. |
| Date | 14:00:43, April 13, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | please see the concurrent, and slightly earlier to be proposed, bill http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=564813 and our comment there. |
| Date | 18:00:09, April 13, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | Revisiting this -- sorry for the visceral hyperbole above. :) But still, there is no legitimate reason to use such a needlessly cruel tax to raise revenue, when there exist multiple other and incredibly vastly fairer ways available to raise that same revenue. Furthermore, is that particular revenue even necessary? Defence (protection against foreign invasion) and police (protection against street criminals and riots) are already funded fully by other taxes, with plenty of money to spare. What other function of government is so vital, such that funding it would be _worth_ directly making the very basic necessities of life more expensive for everyone, particularly relevantly the poor and working class? None. Absolutely none. This is from KPJP who are generally on the big-government side of the aisle overall. :) As unpleasant as a much-hyped flat tax (everybody is taxed the same percentage) would be (and it would be very unpleasant indeed) ... there are things that are worse yet. One such, which is so repugnant that it may be (fortunately) unfamiliar, is called a "capitation tax" or "head tax". Whereas in a flat tax everybody is taxed the same _percentage_, in a capitation tax everybody is taxed the same _amount_. [shudder] Meanwhile, KPJP ICly (and I OOCly) very much like the idea of a universal basic income for all resident citizens, paid for via raising other taxes. This way everybody has at least some of their basic life needs already fulfilled, in proportions appropriate for their own situation (since they're self-directed). Doing so would also likewise reduce (and if large enough eliminate) the need for various separate other programmes such as minimum wage, welfare, social security, etc.; bringing everything together under one simple, easy-to-understand, easy-to-administer umbrella instead. Please note that a universal basic income is the exact reverse of a capitation tax; one becomes the other by changing the sign from plus to minus. And also please ponder and consider: that senselessly making the very basic necessities of life more expensive for everyone, particularly relevantly the poor and working class ... is functionally approximately equivalent to a capitation tax, and is equally as terrible. |
| Date | 04:55:02, April 14, 2018 CET | From | Ár Ré - Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | We have to vote against as well. We are not fond of the higher taxes imposed on corporations and luxury goods, and we are opposed to the 10% tax on essential goods (we are fine with a small tax levied however). |
| Date | 14:42:53, April 14, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan Social Democrat Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | Points well made and taken. I didn’t realise the last bill had passed which means a significant amount of the revenue that the country did generate will now be lost. I understand the views expressed on taxing of essential goods, unfortunately legislatively we cannot further delve into micro options and so it looks bad saying 10% taxation. |
| Date | 14:50:28, April 14, 2018 CET | From | Kirlawan Social Democrat Party | To | Debating the Reforming taxes bill |
| Message | I think we are going to have a pretty big deficit btw with revenue generated from luxury goods halved |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 68 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 649 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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