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Bill: Lex Nasennia de Olympiis
Details
Submitted by[?]: Factio Republicana Socialistica
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4384
Description[?]:
| Nasennian Law on the Olympics Senators, The Olympic Games are a frivolous and wasteful expense with absolutely no moral, political, or economic value. They cost the equivalent of a small country's GDP, the return on investment is practically nonexistent, and they are the focus of excessive nationalism and political grandstanding. The Olympics are not a disinterested apolitical celebration of athleticism as their promoters make them out to be. They are instead dominated by corporate interests through sponsorship of athletes and their use for corporate endorsements, being a large and expensive commercial enterprise. They create a destructive celebrity culture, where ordinary citizens identify with the Olympic heroes in spite of their moral failings, and where victors are transformed into symbols of their countries' success while losers become a source of collective shame and embarrassment, as was seen recently when so many of our citizens were irrationally shocked and ashamed of the Selucian team's performance at Nowogard. Contrary to myth, olympians are not role models of courage and sportsmanship. They are corporate tools forced to develop useless skills at the expense of their overall health or moral virtue. The Olympic Games encourage victory at all cost, and thus incentivize illegal drug use, cheating, secrecy, unfair competition, and training and competing while injured. For these reasons we call for Selucia to withdraw from all future Olympic competitions, and indeed all major international sporting events. If anyone wants to be proud of Selucian skill in sport, they are free to take up sport themselves. Decimus Nasennius Valens Minister of Education and Culture OOC: More info on the Nowograd games here: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7887 http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/4380_Terran_Olympics http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1585&start=650#p132125 |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the TOA (Terran Olympic Association).
Article 2
Withdraw from the International Chess Association (ICA).
Article 3
Withdraw from the Majatran Championship Cup (MCC).
Article 4
Withdraw from the United Chariot League.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:34:49, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Est Pars Humanitatis et Socialismus | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | We oppose this bill, sports are an important part of many peaples' lives, we cannot take that from them. |
| Date | 14:54:36, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | Senators, You will of course note that this bill by no means proposes to take sport away from people's lives. What we are proposing is that Selucia end her participation in the useless tradition of massive international sporting events. We also find a contradiction in the stance of the PHS. Not long ago they supported our proposal for a ban on advertising, and now they want to have Selucian taxpayer money to remain used for international sporting events, which are nothing but a massive and ridiculously expensive advertising campaign. Decimus Nasennius Valens Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 15:31:18, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Est Pars Humanitatis et Socialismus | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | Senator Valens, note that we would not support holding these events here as that would be to expensive. We also support censuring the advertisments. |
| Date | 17:42:00, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Legio Nationalis | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | Senators, We fully support this bill. Nothing is to be gained by competing with the rest of the world, and any benefits gained in "national pride" upon victories are minimal compared to everyday, hard-working, patriotic Selucians who create real national pride through their commitment to their communities and to their country and our soldiers who put their lives on the line to defend our way of life. The Olympics are just a circus. Martinus Varro Consul |
| Date | 20:56:47, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Est Pars Humanitatis et Socialismus | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | We prefer to see international sporting events as something that unites many people from all over Terra to peacefully compete with each other and grow together. Sports bring nations together, soldiers and war tears them apart. |
| Date | 23:10:22, April 20, 2018 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | That's what they want you to think. In theory it should be like that, but in practice all these events are nothing but a waste of money spent on self-aggrandizing, destructive competition, immorality, and corporate promotion. There is nothing in major sporting events that actually leads to cooperation and peace. Decimus Nasennius Valens Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 00:44:09, April 21, 2018 CET | From | Clara Aurora - COSIRA | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | So instead of removing Selucia from every single international treaty and organization, why not working towards its better development? Too much work, I guess? Acneo Fluvio Cannus Senator |
| Date | 00:59:26, April 21, 2018 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | Indeed, and Selucia on her own cannot challenge all vested corporate interests that run the Olympics and other events. No reasonable reform proposal can likely succeed in face of the opposition of most Terran governments and companies. If it were possible to introduce reforms like maintaining a single permanent site or having multiple sites at the same time, or having athletes represent themselves and not their countries, or removing team sports, or having all athletes wear the same uniform, we would be eager to support these. But it is highly unlikely anything remotely similar to that will ever happen. Until there is significant momentum for genuine change, we must end our use of taxpayer money for this frivolous waste. Decimus Nasennius Valens Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 18:06:27, April 21, 2018 CET | From | Clara Aurora - COSIRA | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | Many people tend to want to improve only to put themselves above others and be admired. Others, in order to better help others. And so there are a thousand reasons to compete. The arguments that Factio Republicana wields are totally absurd, since while asking that the athletes represent themselves, they collaborate with the nationalists of Legionem Nationis. As Minister of Culture, I would be embarrassed to degrade sports, and international competitions, even to say that team sports should be eliminated (which, in case the minister does not know it, help individuals to develop as people when interacting with others). The only thing you want is to isolate this nation from the rest of the world, and reduce it to pieces. |
| Date | 10:09:56, April 22, 2018 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Lex Nasennia de Olympiis |
| Message | As Minister of Education and Culture my duty is to promote cultural events, educate our citizens, and make sure our youth have proper role models. The Olympics help achieve none of those goals, quite the contrary. Olympians are not good role models; they are instead encouraged to win no matter what, to value victory over fair competition or helping other, and the victors get glamorized by the media, becoming symbols of national triumphalism, while the losers get castigated and humiliated. The Games become nothing but onanistic self-aggrandizement for autocratic regimes, who use them to legitimize their rule, and expensive commercial enterprises for major companies worldwide. The reform suggestions I mentioned would help eliminate some but not all of these problems. Team sports in particular are the focus of nationalistic identification, as teams are organized by nation. But requiring athletes to represent their respective nations in individual sports is no less nationalistic and aggrandizing. And again, if there were a way to reform the Olympics and end their commercialization, ridiculous cost, misplaced patriotism, and geopolitical self-promotion, we'd support remaining. But as it stands it is not me who should be ashamed for bringing Olympic abuses to light. It is Caia Andronicus and Argos Loukas, who in the In Marea cabinet during our own Olympics drove Victoria into debt for decades, oversaw the construction of useless white elephants, and gave a platform for the nationalistic propaganda of autocratic nations. We hope that if the nation that organized the first Olympics in almost a millennium withdraws from the competition and brings attention to their uselessness, other nations will follow suit and the world will eventually abandon this expensive circus. Decimus Nasennius Valens Minister of Education and Culture |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 325 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 346 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 79 |
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