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Bill: Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2197
Description[?]:
| 1) I believe that any party can belong to any group they choose to belong to, but belonging to a group that is an enemy of our closest ally should not be tolerated. 2) The Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazias choice to become a member of this vile organisation is disrespectfull to our Selucian allies, and also undermines our own governments status. This will damage our friendship with the Selucians and may cause them to distance themselves from us, just as any nation would do where a party in that nations government is hostile and cannot be trusted. 3) I propose that until the Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia withdraws from the Anti-Selucian Front, that he be excluded from holding any position in government and from viewing any plans or documents relating to our military or government operations with Selucia. I hope the other parties will not tolerate this borderline treason by a member of our own government. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:09:54, March 09, 2006 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | Yea! |
| Date | 22:46:18, March 09, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | We will not support. Although the CSP is very pro-Selucia, we can't punish the Communists for dissenting as this creates a dangerous precedent. We do urge the CTPoH to re-examine their international loyalties, as the Selucians have been our longest ally. An official censure from the Chamber of the Republic, however, seems a bit dramatic. It would be a different story if the Communists actually provided aid to anti-Selucian forces in warfare, which would most certainly be treason. They have not engaged in this act, and were actually in favor of intervening in the Al'Badaran civil war jointly with members of the Trade and Defense Entente. Although the CTPoH may not like interactions with the Selucians, they have offered them aid before. |
| Date | 23:05:53, March 09, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | This is an outrage! Our acting foreign minister is an enemy of our best ally! Our friends don't want to deal with him, and if he is not removed from the Foreign Ministry the damage is done. I have recieved concerns from our friends about CTPoH, and this is damaging our relations with them. I am dissapointed that you would approve that an enemy to our friends and a traitor to Hobrazia be our foreign minister, Shame! I hope you realize that you may not be trusted fully again by our friends by supporting a turncoat and a enemy. |
| Date | 23:27:37, March 09, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | This is ridiculous! While the Communists may dislike Selucian relations, they have never let that interfere with our relationships with our allies by what we've seen. And my stating what I have observed should not grounds for questioning my loyalties to either Hobrazia or Selucia. We too feel that it would be in the best interests of Hobrazia for the Communists to remove themselves from the Anti-Selucia Front. However, we cannot accept an official censure until it is known that Communists either actively engaged with our enemies or failed to due their duties to both the Republic and her allies, especially our friends the Selucian Empire. |
| Date | 23:38:44, March 09, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | He is a member of a group whose whole purpose in life is hating Selucia! And he's our foreign minister? He has pro-axis views which are well known, he shouldn't even be allowed to hold any post since his foreign policy views are anti-ally. Do you think anyone will trust him? I am perplexed at your defense of him, and I call for his resignation from the foreign ministry. If he remains as FM then I will deal with the situation myself as the current cabinet is made up of pinkos who will throw their own mother under the bus! Shame! Shame! |
| Date | 14:02:49, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | Ok, bit of a stink here i see. I'm not anti-selucians in any sort of racial or ethnic way, i'm not actually anti-selucian at all but I am against an outside nation having so much control over us. My membership of the Anti-Selucian Front has never hindered my dealings with Selucia. I am quite happy to do deals with Selucia but at the moment it seems if they say "Jump" we then HAVE to ask "How high?". Since it is apparent that my stance now is understood I will withdraw from the organisation but i would also like to make it clear it was I who had the description of the organisation changed. When I joined they were an organisation promoting violence towards the Selucian people now they are a just cause against the threat of Selucian expansionism. If LPU or any other party wants to condemn me for my beliefs then feel free but at least inact a law saying I cannot speak out against the political threat from Selucia. If anyone here is being the right-wing fascist it is LPU and his hatred for the peace loving socialists of Hobrazia. I would also wish to thank CPU for his admirable defence of me, we may not always agree on matters but he is still a beloved comrade of the Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia. |
| Date | 14:54:46, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | You are part of a anti-selucian group which means you are anti-selucian, it's that simple. And how am I a fascist? You can try to defend your anto-selucian stance all you want but it won't alter the fact that you undermine our governments relationship with our allies. How can they trust you? |
| Date | 15:02:50, March 10, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | Easy, McCarthy. They withdrew from the group. |
| Date | 15:05:13, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | I will buy him some ice cream. |
| Date | 16:21:45, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | I will pledge to never be a part of that organisation again but also i will never conform with ANY bill proposed by the LPU and never agree to any diplomatic proposals put forward by them. |
| Date | 19:08:57, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | It wasn't personal CTPoH there's no need to hold a grudge, were not 8 years old here christ man. I've moved on already. Maybe more ice cream will turn your frown upside down huh..how about it? |
| Date | 21:12:52, March 10, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | Since they have removed themselves from the anti-Selucian Front we will vote against this condemnation. However, we make it clear to *all* Parties, be they left or right, there shall be no toleration of supporting groups that actively seek to harm either political groups within this Country (so far not a problem) or any groups supporting harm to any foreign nation without the clear support of this Parliament. |
| Date | 21:18:25, March 10, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | Change due to CTPoH withdrawal. |
| Date | 14:52:02, March 11, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Bill Condeming Communist Totalitarian Party of Hobrazia membership in the Anti-Selucian Front |
| Message | ASF had changed their policy when i joined and moved away from being militant to simply wanting everyone to be aware of Selucian expansionism. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 132 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 268 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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