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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of February 4401
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Front of Beluzia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 4401
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the United Front of Beluzia
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:32:34, May 30, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Under the Government Procedure Act 4312 'If the president's party also controls the largest party in the congress, then the largest party not belonging to the president may propose a cabinet along with the president himself.' we hold the right to form a cabinet. The Beluzian government has been in turmoil over the cabinet and it's about time we take a sensible and responsible approach to the matter. The Liberty Party has asked not to be involved in this cabinet and we accept their stance on that and promise them that we still take their issues with extreme matter, we would also like to reassure the KWRF aswell that we will be working alongside them as always to the best of our ability. We've chosen not to include the USP in the cabinet simply due to their inexperience and the matter that they are the 4th biggest party. Again, we urge the USP to contact us for any problems that need addressing and I am sure the BR will agree with me there. I also want to just say to the parties that this term isn't going to be easy for a lot of us, but keep your head high and keep fighting for the Beluzian People who voted for you! Good luck in the upcoming term. |
| Date | 16:54:31, May 30, 2018 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Liberty believe this procedure needs to change at the earliest opportunity. It is causing too many semantic arguments. We propose that any party with seats in Congress can try to put together a government. If nobody can we go back to the people. Nice and simple. |
| Date | 19:15:06, May 30, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | We support this cabinet, we request the United Front of Beluzia to vote for it so a government can be formed as soon as possible. |
| Date | 00:24:08, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | For the record, in the future the Conservatives will not work with UFOB either. They have sold themselves out to work with power-crazed cronies in BR. This will be nothing but a chaotic, shambolic and unstable government. |
| Date | 00:26:54, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Okay, right I have voted it against it but how do you expect to form a cabinet when the main party won't vote to support it. We will not be attempting to form another type of government, and we are disgusted by claims by the BCP that we have sold ourselves, as much as we dislike the BCP we strongly thought they at least held some respect for us as a party. |
| Date | 00:32:04, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | The constitution states that any party may propose a cabinet - the constitution is the supreme law of the land. Our comments concerned your party's willingness to work with BR, and that alone. Since BR's re-emergence they have brought nothing but chaos, disruption and in-fighting. Quite frankly, it would be dangerous for Beluzia for BR to run any office of state, but especially the likes of Finance, Defence, Justice and Trade and Industry! The Conservatives have been on record as stating that they would work with any party apart from BR. Our position is quite clear. |
| Date | 00:32:15, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | We are trying to make a stable Beluzia here but when parties such as the BCP come in striking down us as a party who are lowkey trying to do the best thing possible for the people of Beluzia, oh and the BCP don't have to worry about working with us again because we have no plans to even assist them in ways for the foreseeable future. |
| Date | 00:33:55, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Also, for the record, the current interim BCP-LP-KWRF government is ticking over general administration of the country quite nicely and we would like to reassure Beluzians about this. It would be great if UFOB was brought into the fold too. |
| Date | 00:34:34, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | If that's what the constitution says then how about you try and form a cabinet, cause I think you'll find it isn't that simple keeping everyone happy. Your comments were down right rude to the party, and it's supporters and we feel betrayed and disgusted. We understand your concerns about the BR but don't you accept democracy at some point where in the statement did we say we agree with their polices cause last time I checked we didn't so lets not put words in my mouth. Once you change your stance and accept that democracy take place come back and then we can discuss politics. |
| Date | 00:34:41, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Putting BR into government wont bring stability. Quite the opposite. |
| Date | 00:35:06, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | As prior stated we have no interest on working with the BCP on any matter. |
| Date | 00:37:03, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | The Conservatives have been very open with regard to working with UFOB. It is UFOB that has said it wont work with us simply based on our comments regarding BR. A fairly simple solution to this mess would be a UFOB-led government which included KWRF, the Conservatives and Liberty. The BCP-LP-KWRF government has lasted a good amount of time, it is likely this would continue under UFOB's inclusion and guidance. |
| Date | 00:37:49, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Thanks for that insight, don't you think we knew that, You keep your little cabinet going, it works brilliantly! As we've said we are disgusted by your response to us. |
| Date | 00:38:14, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | But if you want to burn bridges then go ahead. The alternative is working with BR. We believe Liberty and KWRF are wiling to be co-operative, it is a shame UFOB cannot adopt the same spirit. |
| Date | 00:39:49, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | When once did we say we won't work with the BCP except for about 2 minutes ago. I have held no opinion on your party except for positive ones, I work strongly with the KWRF and Liberty and they both hold identical opinions on the BR and nor once have I kicked them at their opinion instead I have respected it. We don't agree with your solution, and like we said we don't have any plans to assist the BCP. |
| Date | 00:41:27, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | I think your the one who burnt the bridge, and right now I am not paying to rebuild it. I never once said I would work with the BR did I? I will stand by my allies at Liberty and KWRF who do the same to us, and we are more than willing to co-operate with the two of them and doing so sufficiently. We adopted that spirit with you and look where that got us. |
| Date | 00:44:40, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | I think your the one who burnt the bridge, and right now I am not paying to rebuild it. I never once said I would work with the BR did I? I will stand by my allies at Liberty and KWRF who do the same to us, and we are more than willing to co-operate with the two of them and doing so sufficiently. We adopted that spirit with you and look where that got us. |
| Date | 00:45:06, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | UFOB seems to have over-reacted to the comments made by my party. Maybe they were towards the extreme but the threat of BR shouldn't be under-estimated. The Conservatives can only apologise for any offence caused to UFOB. However, your party is in the driver's seat when it comes to deciding the fate of this great nation. Choose wisely. |
| Date | 00:47:28, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Wouldn't quite call it over-reacting more feelings of betrayal. Just look at the way others responded then look at your response and scapegoating seems to be a good way to go about it doesn't it? |
| Date | 00:49:42, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | OOC: The only other party to reply other than you, myself and BR was Liberty, who commented on the procedures for forming a government. |
| Date | 00:53:12, May 31, 2018 CET | From | United Front of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | Sorry they were private messages then but I promise you they were much more respectful |
| Date | 02:38:45, May 31, 2018 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 4401 |
| Message | BR is open to work with anyone. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 237 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 470 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 43 |
| Random fact: "OOC", "IC" and "IG" are commonly-used acronyms in Particracy. "OOC" refers to comments, discussions and actions which are out-of-character, meaning they are done player-to-player rather than party-to-party. "IC" refers to in-character interactions (ie. party-to-party). Similarly, "IG" means in-game, although this term may also simply refer to what happens in the actual game interface, as opposed to on the forum or elsewhere. "RP" just means "role-play". |
| Random quote: "The goal of life is living in agreement with nature." Zeno (335 BC - 264 BC), from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers |