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Bill: 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Nationale Konservative Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4411
Description[?]:
| This bill will bring common sense to Dundorf |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the The Comprehensive Gay Rights Treaty.
Article 2
Withdraw from the Protection of LGBT Act (PLA).
Article 3
Withdraw from the Protection of LGBT Citizens II.
Article 4
Withdraw from the Rights of LGBT Citizens.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to hold positions of command.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are immediately returned to their own government.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government's position on paramilitaries.
Old value:: Paramilitaries are illegal and the recognized government may intervene freely to stop any possible activity.
Current: Paramilitaries are illegal and the recognized government may intervene freely to stop any possible activity.
Proposed: Paramilitaries are allowed with full privileges, with the right to intervene when necessary.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The right to kill animals.
Old value:: Killing animals is legal but regulated.
Current: Killing animals is legal but regulated.
Proposed: Killing animals is legal and unregulated.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the use of pesticides.
Old value:: Chemical pesticides, herbicides and fungicides are banned.
Current: The government approves and regulates agricultural chemical use.
Proposed: The government approves and regulates agricultural chemical use.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on whaling.
Old value:: Whaling is illegal.
Current: Whaling is illegal.
Proposed: Commercial whaling is legal, but the government establishes whaling quotas.
Article 11
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning forest protection.
Old value:: Forests have strictly enforced protection. Felling is limited to fire breaks.
Current: Forests are protected. Logging is allowed by licence only.
Proposed: The government promotes and subsidises forest clearance.
Article 12
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of pollution in industry.
Old value:: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Current: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Proposed: Industrial pollution is not regulated by the government.
Article 13
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy on tree plantation.
Old value:: The government requires tree plantation at higher than replacement levels for all logging or clearance operations.
Current: The government requires tree plantation at higher than replacement levels for all logging or clearance operations.
Proposed: The government discourages tree plantation.
Article 14
Withdraw from the Artanian Union (AU).
Article 15
Withdraw from the Malivia- Dundorf Economic & Military Cooperation Agreement.
Article 16
Withdraw from the Support of Dundorf against Cildania and Eldanor Treaty (SDaCE).
Article 17
Withdraw from the The Minority Languages Treaty.
Article 18
Withdraw from the Treaty of Gender Equality.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:53:02, June 18, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | Withdrawing from gender equality doesn’t mean women and men aren’t equal this is targeting people who have a disability of liking their own gender. As a party we want women to have the same rights as men. |
| Date | 20:09:36, June 18, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | This bill is absolutely crazy and far-fetched. The SGP would elaborate, however there are too many points to cover, and we are sure that would take an excessive amount of time to explain. We are opposed. |
| Date | 20:10:19, June 18, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | Another thing is that the NKP suggests this will bring 'common sense' to Dundorf. Could you explain in what way this would bring 'common sense'? |
| Date | 23:40:10, June 18, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | Common sense is when there is one form of marriage between a man and a woman. Where sanctions can be lifted upon nations that don’t threaten us. Where prisoners of war need to be back to their own government for lowering crime rate. Where nationals can have a better and higher ranked job than useless anti-dundorfians. |
| Date | 02:58:51, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Arbeiterpartei-Volksfront | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | Do you think we still have sanctions in place against Cildania? Those were repealed ages ago. |
| Date | 05:12:39, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Volksallianz der Umwelt ⚘ | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | "Common sense" is a subjective term. We would value academic language. |
| Date | 07:56:19, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | May I split the following into three points: 1) If we no longer have sanctions in place against Cildania, make it part of a separate bill that has only that in it, and we might vote for it. Rather than putting your manifesto aside it. 2) Some people are born LGBT, and we need to respect it. They are equal to us. Why should someone be mistreated by the government because of their different sexual desires, that they can't change? Isn't that similar, albeit to a lesser extent, to Hitler mistreating the non-Aryans and Polish people because of where they were born and what they were born like? Think it over. It's simple logic. 3) If migrants work harder than some certain lazy Dundorfians, surely they deserve the job more? If a Mahajatran migrant has worked hard in a badly-paid, hard labour job in a factory enthusiastically for 30 years? If a staunchly conservative Dundorfian national has worked in a fast food chain for two weeks before never working again? Who deserves the job more? I dislike to repeat myself, however it's simple logic. Migrants are people, and should be treated with respect, especially when fleeing danger. |
| Date | 17:14:42, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | First of all they are fleeing danger because there country is crap. So they are going to put the same crap onto us, and btw in this case none of them will take the job, they have to be a skilful dundorfian. Because the Conservatives are anti-gay you are comparing us to that demon?(Hitler) |
| Date | 19:58:30, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | To begin with, please stop with the informal profanities. And please, just get your spellings right. I mean, it's only Year 4 level spelling, and we're having difficulties here in the Volkskammer. Back to the point, it is not their fault the country is going through unrest. Second of all, just because they are not from Dundorf does not make them useless or unskilful. In fact, most are more enthusiastic to even be in a stable job than the majority of Dundorfians, who are ungrateful for their privileged lifestyles. Surely employment should be decided by enthusiasm and skill, not location of birth? Finally, yes, in many ways the NKP's beliefs are a less extreme version of Adolf Hitler (OOC: he exists in Particracy, right? It started in 2004 with everything correct up to that date?). Many are born LGBT, and it is not a choice they make. So why should we prejudice against them simply because they desire their own sex? In any case, they help with overpopulation too by not making any offspring! |
| Date | 20:32:26, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | What difficulties in the volkskammer? Is it government problem? |
| Date | 20:33:02, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | I am obviously referencing spelling there. |
| Date | 20:51:42, June 19, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | Where is the spelling mistake? Btw, nobody has ever called me a bad speller! |
| Date | 02:18:25, June 20, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Arbeiterpartei-Volksfront | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | OOC: 1) First of all they are fleeing danger because there country is crap. *their, not there. 2) So they are going to put the same crap onto us, and btw in this case none of them will take the job, they have to be a skilful dundorfian. *btw is not proper English (ooc: a member of Congress or Parliament wouldn't just start saying "btw"), *skillful, not skilful, and finally capitalize Dundorfian. 3) Not a spelling error but, "Is it government problem?" is not proper grammar. Not that important to me, but I figured I'd help the SDP (? I guess that's their name now) out and well... you asked. |
| Date | 07:06:04, June 20, 2018 CET | From | Nationale Konservative Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | SED said btw. It makes sense. Where are you lot from? |
| Date | 07:36:33, June 20, 2018 CET | From | Sozialistische Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the 9/4410 VA 24: Ecology+Military bill |
| Message | (OOC) I saw the NAP-VF wondering, so if anyone else is, this is the final name change. I somehow botched the last one into sounding like a communist so this is the last change. I promise. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 217 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 533 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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