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Bill: The Grand Compromise
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Liberal Party of Hutori
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4417
Description[?]:
A bill to coronate her Highness Mary III |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 17:39:46, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, I rise because I think it is time to put an end to this madness. I think there is a compromise here that can suit everyone. As you all know, many in my party recognize that the only way for the New Liberals to effect change when the right-wing of this House continually leaves us on the outside looking in, is to hold up the Coronation of her Highness Mary III. I do not share that view. The New Liberal Party has long been a party of pragmatic liberalism. We have voted for tax cuts to increase business competitiveness. We have voted for measures that would check the power of both Unions and Employers. We have served as the referee in the game of Bekenball that is governing. I want us to continue to do that. Here is what I propose: 1) The entire house votes to coronate Mary III. I believe I can deliver both the votes of the Ultrackian Socialist Party and the New Liberal Party. We do so without policy provisions attached to the coronation bill as an act of good faith. We will however, add one constitutional provision to the bill text that will introduce an automatic fine equal to parliamentary compensation to vote against the coronation parliamentary procedure - making it unlikely that this constitutional crisis will arise again. 2) We create a grand coalition government as a sign of good faith for work among all the parties. We would hope that such a government would show the people of Hutori unity after a time of crisis. In this government, we would ask that Brett Martin continue his work as chancellor with Natalie Cook, both of the Royalist Party, continuing to serve as Chancellor and House Leader. We also believe that the Royalists should hold Finance and Interior Ministry positions. We would ask that the Scientian Enclave take leadership of the departments of Food and Agriculture and Science and Technology. We would like to see a role for the Ultrackians as heads of Trade and Industry, and Education and Culture. We believe our old rivals, the National Reform Party, should hold a role in this grand coalition as it must represent all of Hutori, and therefore recommend the ministries of Environment and Tourism and Infrastructure and Transport for their leadership. The New Liberals are a globalist party and I personally would like to continue the work I was doing as Ambassador to Davostan in a new role as Foreign Minister. I also believe Peter Knox would be an excellent Health and Welfare Minister. Lastly, all other positions would go to the Federalist party - the party of the presidency. 3) The Ultrackian socialists schedule one vote to empower labour leaders to negotiate in good faith with the incoming businesses that are moving to Hutori to evade taxes elsewhere. It is our hope that at least some other parties would support this bill - otherwise the USPH are likely to break off any support they may have for areas in which we all agree such as bolstering free trade. 4) The Ultrackian Socialists will propose a corporate tax increase to 1 percent. This will still maintain Hutori's competitiveness in Terra as we will be the lowest-taxed Luthori-speaking nation in Terra, with access to Northern markets and trade that none of the 0 percent tax rate nations can match. 5) In return for the support of other parties on their labour and tax bills, the Ultrackian Socialists will take the oath of allegiance to the Monarch required to serve in cabinet and will cease pro-republican action until the next election. The New Liberals - even the Republican members - will do the same. Both parties reserve the right to vote no on bills empowering the nobility, but will not seek any further disruption to the Monarchy. It is my hope that this Grand Compromise is amenable to you all. We will be proposing the bills mentioned above shortly. Please consider this plan as a sign of unity to all Hutorians and all of Terra. It would be an historic gesture to the world after four years of discord, admittedly enabled by my party's former leader. I hope you will all agree that it is time to move forward. Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 17:49:30, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, A slight change to Mr. Selwyn's statement - we understand this is a lot to swallow. I personally don't want to give up any ground. However, I think it is time for us to stop fighting and move forward. That's why even though I am a Republican, I will support the Monarchy in this case. I think however, Russ is being too focused on doing my job as leader! While I jest, I mean to say that if what Russ proposed won't work for people, we're willing to change our minds on some things. This has to be a give and take. Robbie McShane Interim Party Leader, New Liberals |
Date | 17:55:03, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr speaker, We have spoken with the New Liberals and this is amenable to us. We want this to happen and are willing to do what it takes to make it happen. Ultrackius Leader of the USPH |
Date | 17:57:31, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr Speaker, I would like to take a moment to welcome the honourable member from Sutton East back to parliament. As Chancellor of this nation, I have always strived to unite Hutorians. That is why, on behalf of the Royalist Party, I accept this offer from the New Liberals, and encourage the members from the current coalition to accept these terms as well. It is the only way we can move forward as a united country. Brett Martin MP fof Wrightstown Chancellor of the Commonwealth of Hutori |
Date | 18:05:22, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr Speaker, I thank the Chancellor for his warm welcome. It is good to be back. It is no secret that Chancellor Martin and I have worked very well together in the past, and I look forward to working with him again in the future. Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 18:20:53, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, We accept this proposal under two conditions one, that the particular arrangement of cabinet seats is up to negotiation. And that all parties agree to work together on legislation that will protect the monarchy in the long term. Jeffery Rawson Federalist Parliamentary Leader |
Date | 18:24:30, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, We are happy to negotiate the particular arrangement of cabinet seats and I will do what I can within my party to ensure the strength of the monarchy long term. I believe that Hutori is strongest when we work together, so I would hope than any bill to protect the monarchy would do so with the expressed support of all the parties. That unanimity may be hard to find especially with the stated Republican preferences of the Scientians, Ultrackians, and many in my party - but I do believe that we must pursue the goal of unanimity in this case or risk this fragile political peace. How would my friend, the Federalist Parliamentary Leader, like to proceed? Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 18:41:49, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | OOC: I told the USPH They could post that. I know them IRL. No worries, nothing sinister going on here. Just FYI. |
Date | 18:45:37, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, The level to which we support so-called "protections" to the monarchy will be directly determined by the amount of socialist policies the other parties are willing to pass. The greater the socialism, the more willing we are to support his monarchy. Ultrackius Leader of the USPH |
Date | 18:46:11, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | OOC: Why not just post it from your own account? |
Date | 18:49:14, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, I think it is probably best if we focus on the areas in which we agree. Here's what I propose as an amended Grand Compromise: 1) The Socialists drop their DWC requirement, as discussions I have had with a number of other parties suggest that position is likely not to pass. 2) We still do the unity cabinet. 3) Coronation goes ahead with the understanding that a unity constitutional amendment bill will be put forward with the express purpose of making it harder to upend the monarchy when the next transition of power occurs. Our preferred policy position is a fine, though I'm sure other parties have good ideas as well. 4) Increase the tax rate for corporations to 1 percent. What say you all? Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 18:51:42, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | OOC: He asked if he could post Selwyn saying "we want unity" and him saying "unity is fine, but we want concessions". I was fine with it. I guess I could have posted from my own account. Didn't think it would be an issue until after I saw the post. |
Date | 18:52:49, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker On the matter of the Constituional Amendment Bill that any Bills that deal with the Coronations have to be singular in purpose and can not contain any other Legislative Bills attached to them. The Coronation is supposed to be a singular event we rarely will have to deal with; not a bargaining chip to force a legislative agenda. On all other matters I defer to the Ministers of Trade & Industry and Finance. Natalie Cook Government Coalition House Leader |
Date | 18:56:07, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, We agree with my honourable friend from the Governing Coalition. The New Liberals want clean bills regarding the constitution. No bill dealing with the constitution should have policy provisions tied to it. I personally am advocating for four separate bills: 1) Unity Coalition government bill 2) Coronation bill 3) Tax Increase to 1 percent 4) Constitutional Amendment to discourage playing politics around coronations. Is this amenable to others? Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 18:57:54, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, I would ask my friends to consider tying the constitutional amendment to the coronation as an accountability mechanism. Why would the USPH vote for a constitutional amendment after they've voted for the coronation? Peter Knox MP for Axminster South |
Date | 18:59:23, July 01, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr. Speaker, I believe my friend is correct that it would serve as an accountability mechanism not just on the USPH but other parties as well. However, coming to an agreement about what sanctions should exist for those who hold the Crown hostage may take some time, and I want to get Her Majesty on the throne as quickly as possible. Therefore, I am proposing separate coronation and constitutional amendment bills. Russell Selwyn MP for Sutton East |
Date | 19:01:08, July 01, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr Speaker, we will support either the three bill or four bill solution. |
Date | 04:09:25, July 02, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the The Grand Compromise |
Message | Mr Speaker, While we would prefer to keep corporate taxation at 0, we will accept the increase to 1 percent. Dylan Jourdain MP for Fairview Prosperity Minister of Finance |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||||
yes |
Total Seats: 405 | |||||||
no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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