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Bill: Morality Act of 4419
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosian Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4419
Description[?]:
| We rise today concerning the morality of the country. The cornerstone of any great country is morality. We propose the following changes to our system of laws to reflect a more Hosian view of morality. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Proposed: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Policy of the government concerning the funding of abortions
Old value:: The government provides funding for abortions.
Current: The government provides funding for abortions.
Proposed: The government only funds abortions for medical emergencies.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to adultery.
Old value:: Adultery is legal.
Current: There is no explicit government policy on adultery.
Proposed: Adultery is illegal, but not prosecuted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:27:26, July 05, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Morality Act of 4419 |
| Message | We request that the Speaker of the Hosians make some effort to justify these positions. Kalistan has only ever been anti-abortion when the Government has been under the control of fascists. We are not casting any aspersions with regard to the ideological bent of our new friends the Hosians. But perhaps they will please tell us where they get the idea that the People of Kalistan actually support abortion. We will standby to hear from them before voting one way or another on this bill. |
| Date | 23:35:12, July 05, 2018 CET | From | Hosian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Morality Act of 4419 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We rise today to reply to our friends and colleagues in the Socialist Party of Kalistan. We first and foremost appreciate the clarification concerning the use of the word fascist as we do not identify with that word. Our position is not a fascist one> We think we should find it likely on matters of the economy that our two parties will find common ground more often than not. Concerning abortion, we believe, as we believe many in our great Republic believe, that Elyon has made all life. That all life is precious and is sacred and should be protected from the point of conception until natural death. This fundamental belief is the center of much of our ideology and system of beliefs. It's why we stand opposed to the practice of abortion. It is why we stand opposed to a death penalty. It is why we stand so firmly in favor of a universal, free at the point of care, health care system. It's why we are firmly opposed to war and the creation and use of the weapons of mass destruction. It is our position that life is precious, that it is sacred, and that it is must be protected. We make exceptions here in the case of medical emergencies and the life of the mother, which are clear and obvious exceptions in our estimation. We also believe that with comprehensive sexual education and widely accessible and perhaps subsidized contraception available that the need for an abortion should be near nonexistent. We yield back, Mr. Speaker. |
| Date | 02:17:40, July 06, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Morality Act of 4419 |
| Message | Comrade Speaker: First a point of decorum. If I may ask my Hosian peers to use the Gender neutral appellation if one must be used at all. The Presiding officer of the Assembly is Speaker Stacy Fernandez, very clearly a woman, and just to save embarrassment, of continuing to refer to you as a man, I ask that the HDP begin using a gender neutral title. No big deal from our perspective. Onto abortion. For the Socialist Party the right to an abortion is equivalent to the right of equal protection of the law. Anecdotally, if a man desires to have his testicles surgically removed, he goes to a tax supported doctor, asks for the procedure, the doctor counsels him on the radical procedure he is asking for, and if he insists, the Doctor performs the operation. Yes, at tax payers expense, because medicine in Kalistan is socialized. No where here does it appear that the HDP is questioning the socialized nature of our medicine in Kalistan. I don't mean to imply anything like this. But what I mean is that a man can have his foot amputated. That discussion is between him and his doctor. A man can opt for elective surgery, like liposuction, which could always lead to complications that could even kill him. And yes, the taxpayer will pay for that too. Why may a man choose to do this with impunity, but a woman who wants a procedure must be barred from it? If she is prepared to have the abortion, the job of the Government of Kalistan is to ensure that her facility is clean, the procedures to be performed upon her are safe, the doctor is competent, and the bill is paid. We are not to discriminate based on why she wants the procedure. That is a matter between her and her doctor. In the interest of equal application of the law, the man and the woman ought to have access to clean, safe, competent and free medical care. If this happens to include abortion, we ought not discriminate against that procedure because doing so disqualifies us from equal application of the law. The law barring abortions would be inherently discriminatory: As women are the only ones who can have abortions, this law targets them specifically. But this should not happen. We should not target just one sex with our laws. They must apply to all or no one. We do not disagree that life is precious and many of us will agree that it is sacred. Where the Socialist Party disagrees is that it was made by Elyon and so it therefore only God's to create or destroy. With no mocking, I say seriously, my life was created by Fredrick and Martha Carrangus. The thought of them creating my life makes me shudder, but to hear my mother tell, God was definitely not in that room that night. We have a fundamental disagreement here about one thing we will never do anything about, which is religious beliefs, and a few things we can discuss, namely the safety and frequency of abortions. As policymakers, I propose, Comrade speaker, that the Hosian Speaker and I discuss what we can actually discuss, and leave off what we cannot do anything about. We can talk policy or religion. But the Law is the result of a policy discussion. Religion, in this case, merely gets in the way. I yield back my time, Comrade Speaker. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |
| no | Total Seats: 750 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Real-life religions should not be referenced in Particracy. Terra has its own religions, many of which mirror real-life ones. See: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Illustrated_Catalogue_of_Religion |
| Random quote: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken |