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Bill: Sport of the People
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2074
Description[?]:
| A bill that proposes to change the national sport. The current national sport is Olympic-Grade Fencing. There are several problems with official recognition of a sport like this as the national sport: - Fencing equipment is prohibitively expensive for the working class. - Fencing locations are not easily accessible. - 'Olympic-Grade' suggests that only the best are accepted as officially engaging in the national sport. No government funding will be granted to the national sport. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The official national sport.
Old value:: Olympic-grade fencing
Current: Lodamese Football and Lodamese Stickball
Proposed: Calvinball
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:41:34, June 06, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | I'm thinking football/soccer: It's cheap, easy to play, easily accessible (all you need is a field/court/flat surface with four reasonably sized items) and is enjoyed by a majority of Lodamunians. |
| Date | 23:46:33, June 06, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Excellent! We voted for football the first time, and would do so again. Anything but Olympic-grade fencing, for much the reasons stated. |
| Date | 00:47:21, June 07, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | ((Football is a little boring for a national sport; I'll support it it comes to a vote, but I'd rather have, say, Cricket......or PING PONG! :-] )) |
| Date | 02:30:42, June 07, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The Council urges all parties to look into the Shylock Party's original defense of fencing. After all, if it's been the national sport for this long, surely it would have wider exposure than fencing does in most countries and therefore a larger supply would be available, in turn lowering the costs and allowing everyone to partake. |
| Date | 02:48:10, June 07, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Additionally, "Olympic-grade" I believe was originally "Olympic rules" and whoever actually did th proposal put it as grade by mistake. |
| Date | 09:58:04, June 07, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The MLP would give full support to Association Football. |
| Date | 17:10:47, June 07, 2005 CET | From |  National People's Gang | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Although we've been perturbed for some time by the notion that fencing was considered an Olympic sport, there is little doubt that Lodamun has world-class expertise. Even a cursory view of the cultivated parts of the country show a host of fields divided very neatly and professionally. However, having studied the matter in close detail, we are now of the belief that dry-stone walling should be added to our already internationally-recognised abilities in fencing. |
| Date | 02:50:33, June 08, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | (( Haha, it took me a read or two to get that. Nice. :D )) |
| Date | 08:57:51, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We suggest it be moved to a vote. |
| Date | 08:58:11, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | (You kow you can add a proposal to this, yes?) |
| Date | 09:06:03, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The Council doesn't see any reason to change the national sport when so much publicity and industry has already geared itself toward fencing as a sport for everyone. |
| Date | 22:46:34, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Why not have two national sports, then? There are countries out there with three. |
| Date | 23:26:59, June 09, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We were under the impression that we needed 2/3rds of the legislation to pass. Still, I do agree with the MLTP that Football is pretty boring, any other suggestions? |
| Date | 23:35:32, June 09, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We were under the impression that we needed 2/3rds of the legislation. Still, like the MLTP said, Football is pretty boring. Any other suggestions? |
| Date | 00:11:10, June 10, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Sure, why not have two national sports. Also, why not simply take the "olympic grade" out of fencing. For while normally I would agree with the argument that fencing is a sport for elitist pig-dogs, it is not so in Lodamun; fencing has become part of our culture, and an activity that the proletariat enjoy greatly. |
| Date | 02:27:36, June 10, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | ((I've often wondered. What exactly is a pig-dog?)) |
| Date | 02:57:45, June 10, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | ((heheh...I've had some funny discussions involving that very same thing. Incidentally, if you do a google image search for Pig-dog, you get some weird stuff)) |
| Date | 03:18:52, June 10, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The Council dislikes the idea of government funding going toward a second national sport. We would not be averse to a second sport being chosen as a national sport if the private sector were the one funding it, but having already spent money towards fencing, the Council sees little to be gained through government support of another sport. The Council suggests that "Olympic grade" be rephrased to "Olympic rules" if it needs to be changed. |
| Date | 16:05:57, June 10, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | How exactly does declaring a national sport cost the government anything? |
| Date | 23:39:23, June 11, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Declaring it? Nothing. But the populace would expect government support if the government declares it. If football (or any sport other than fencing, really) was popular enough to be a national sport, it would have to be seen in the construction of private facilities and organizations attuned to the sport in question. Declaring one otherwise would be pointless. |
| Date | 00:09:00, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | If the concern of the proposers of this bill is the cost of equipment, then Association Football is not the best of options as it requires largfe areas of land to be set aside. A counter proposal would be to encourabe sports that require little or no equipment and virtually no land as alternatives to the noble art of the foil, epée and sabre. Sports that fit this description include: Scissors, Paper, Stone Poker Chess Greco-Roman Wrestling Judo Marbles Tag Hide and Seek |
| Date | 01:49:01, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Furious political propadanda is also free, and a real expertise of many of our citizens. Let's write in a clause: no government funds to the national sport. After all, we don't fund the national animal either. |
| Date | 01:56:48, June 12, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | ((Hey,what's wrong with having Scissors Paper Stone as a national sport?)) First of all, I agree with the CCF in that there should be a "No gov. funding" clause. Second, I would simply like to reitereate due to my previous reasons that I see nothing wrong with Fencing, providing we take "olympic grade" out of it. Third, I think it might be acceptable to have multiple sports. Fourth, I think that Chess is actually a great Idea for a national sport. |
| Date | 18:20:51, June 12, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We would not object to declaring Scissors, Paper, Stone (Or Rock, Paper, Scissor as it is widely known.) the national sport. How about that, and fencing? |
| Date | 18:52:05, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Absotively. We will support "rock, paper, scissors," a noble clash of wits much enjoyed among our young people. We are utterly opposed to the heretic splitters who play a savage mind-dulling game called "scissors, paper, stone." |
| Date | 21:11:53, June 12, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Scissors, Paper, Stone is the ancient and classic form of the true sport. The rockpaperscissors pastime is a much dumbed-down version, suitable for drunken brawls amongst the Hooray Henry set along with debaggingthevicar and paintthetownred. Clearly, nominating rockpaperscissors as our national sport would lead only to further derision of our national leaders. |
| Date | 04:39:57, June 13, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We'll support Rockpaperscissors or Scissors, Paper Stone, alongside fencing. |
| Date | 05:04:27, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The Council would like to note yet again that all three points raised in the original legislation are false. We still see little reason to adopt a second national sport. |
| Date | 18:11:01, June 14, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Despite the likelihood of a barrage of groans from a number of our esteemed colleagues in Parliament, we suggest that the identification of any national sport is inappropriate. The naming of any single sport is likely to be detrimental to other sports and so contrary to the celebration of diversity which Lodamun must maintain with vigilance. For our constituents in Rapula, the sport of lacrosse is undoubtedly the most popular, in terms of both participants and spectators. In other parts of Lodamun, lacrosse is virtually unknown. So, concluding on a positive note, we would suggest that the "national" sport is changed to "Various" or perhaps "Diverse". |
| Date | 19:17:26, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | There's little reason to believe that a national sport would necessarily shut out other sports gaining popularity if people actually like them. Canadia, for example, has curling as its national sport, while hockey tends to be viewed as its most popular. The fact that fencing is the national sport does not detract from any other sport being popular in certain areas, and does not force anyone to fence. |
| Date | 19:26:33, June 14, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We fail to understand how any sport but fencing would cost money. We believe Parliament should recognise the diversity of sporting achievement and interest. |
| Date | 22:58:05, June 14, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | " There's little reason to believe that a national sport would necessarily shut out other sports gaining popularity if people actually like them. Canadia, for example, has curling as its national sport, while hockey tends to be viewed as its most popular." Actually, Canadia's national sports are hockey and lacrosse. |
| Date | 23:03:18, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Curling's just an excuse to drink beer anyway, as most people who have spent time at a curling rink can tell you. Hey, why not make the national sport "picking up litter"? [/token green comment] |
| Date | 17:43:51, June 15, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | A strange partnership this may seem to be, but we must concur with our colleagues from the 2nd June Movement. People should be free to choose which sport(s) they wish to practice without being pressured to take up a specific activity due to patriotic feelings. Thus to avoid bias in the provision of equipment and opportunities in the market, we would likewise recommend that the mational sport is ammended to read None, or Various. |
| Date | 02:32:45, June 16, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Done. Any other opinions before I put this to a vote? |
| Date | 04:17:42, June 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | "None" sounds so killjoy. How about "whatever turns your crank"? |
| Date | 19:10:16, June 16, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We are wholly supportive of personal choice regarding the turning, or even the non-turning, of cranks. However, we're somewhat surprised that the CCF-Greens are willing to suggest terminology closely related to the workings of the internal combustion engine. Perhaps there has been too little fibre in the comestibles provided at their annual party conference? |
| Date | 21:42:39, June 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | The composting toilets at our latest party conference were well-used, so we can assure the speaker for the 2nd June Movement that our fibre intake is more than adequate, with thanks for their concern. Perhaps, then, the suggestion can be amended to "whatever floats your boat." |
| Date | 23:50:05, June 16, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | I think changing to "whatever floats your boat" would be seen as a coup for the huge number of boat-floating enthusiasts, and followers of other sports might feel cheated. |
| Date | 23:52:49, June 16, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | "Actually, Canadia's national sports are hockey and lacrosse." (( Seriously? Well shit. *lol* That'll teach me not to bother doublechecking on stuff. )) |
| Date | 03:00:51, June 17, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | We could always simply denominate it 'calvinball' as that has such flexible rules that it encompasses all other known or imaginable sports. |
| Date | 21:01:47, June 23, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Calvinball eh? Wouldn't it negatively affect people named Calvin? |
| Date | 21:42:32, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | It was a reference to an anarchic game played by Calvin and Hobbes in the cartoon strip of the same name. So I suppose yes it would. |
| Date | 06:01:52, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Hobbes is a much less common name... |
| Date | 17:07:13, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Calvinball Calvinball is a game played almost exclusively by Calvin and Hobbes as a rebellion against organized team sports (like baseball), although the babysitter Rosalyn plays on one occasion. Participants of Calvinball must wear raccoon-like masks. When asked why, Calvin replies that "no one is allowed to question the masks". The rules of the game, besides the soccer ball and wickets almost always used, are made up as they go along, but the one consistent rule is that the rules can never be the same twice. Either player may change any rule at any time, so the only way to break the rules is by using one rule twice. Scoring is also entirely arbitrary: Hobbes has reported scores of "Q to 12" and "oogy to boogy". The reader first encounters the game after Calvin's horrible experience with school baseball. He registers to play baseball in order to avoid being teased by the other boys. While daydreaming in the outfield, he misses the switch and ends up making an out against his own team. His classmates mock him and, when he decides to walk away, his coach calls him a "quitter". That Saturday, Calvin and Hobbes play Calvinball, a game far removed from any organized sport. Watterson has stated that the greatest number of questions he receives concern Calvinball and how to play it. "Just make up the rules as you go." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_and_Hobbes |
| Date | 18:18:44, June 27, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Sounds good to me. |
| Date | 04:23:24, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | I like it as well... Are we ready for a vote then? |
| Date | 20:46:00, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | I suggest you move this to vote. |
| Date | 01:16:40, June 29, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | What the hey. |
| Date | 01:47:45, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Well that broke the 100% tie between ourselves and the council : ) |
| Date | 05:09:36, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | *lol* |
| Date | 07:31:38, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | It would be nice if the sport was described in the bill description...oh well too late. |
| Date | 07:32:37, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | It appears that our head of state, for whatever reason, dislikes the proposed sport... |
| Date | 03:03:58, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Our head of state is aparently obsessed with sharp pointy objects being thrust at him in olympian style. |
| Date | 06:03:05, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Sport of the People |
| Message | Date 18:18:44, June 27, 2005 CET From CNT/AFL (32 seats) Message Sounds good to me. Why did the CNT/AFL, propose a bill, only to vote against it...doesnt this hurt them in the next election? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 30 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 292 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 128 |
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