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Bill: Lodamun Defence Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Republican Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4423
Description[?]:
| We propose that this nation considers the following proposals in order to better prepare Lodamun for a possible future conflict. We feel that greater resources should be committed to gathering Intelligence and furthering our security through the proactive use of Intelligence Agencies. Currently our Intelligence Agencies are limited in their activities and we propose that this should be altered. The best defence is offence and by providing greater flexibility to our Intelligence Agencies we allow them the opportunity to seek out threats before they can cause physical harm to Lodamun. Although we abhor weapons of mass destruction we believe that legislation should be amended to allow research into certain weapon technologies and if said weapons are used in a conflict by other nations against Lodamun the need should be prepared to respond in kind. These proposals to do not commit us to developing these weapon systems, but also ensure that Lodamun could potentially have the means to protect itself. Conscription is an illiberal and unnecessary measure in times of peace but again we should recognise that it times of conflict it might be necessary to mobilize the nation. To that end the necessary measures should be in place now if we did need to begin conscription. This legislature should be prepared to fully exercise control over the military and to that extent we believe that commissioning officers should be a role granted to the Ministry of Defence. The current systems gives too much power to the military without enough checks and balances and it is correct that the MoD would be best placed to exercise this power and ensure the military is firmly under civilian control. In times of emergency it may be necessary to provide extra support to the police or civilian authorities and the military is an ideal organisation to do this, the legislature should legalise military support to the police in certain situations Finally landmines are heinous weapon systems, but they are also defensive in nature. In limited circumstances the military should be authorised to use them. We propose that in times of war the military are authorised to use them, away from civilian areas and that they are accurately recorded and marked so that they can be removed by engineers at a later date. Thomas McDonald Leader of the Republicans |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Current: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Proposed: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards civilians who conscientiously object to being required to perform military service (if applicable).
Old value:: Conscientious objectors are exempted.
Current: Conscientious objectors are exempted.
Proposed: Conscientious objectors can be exempted from combatant roles, but not from non-combatant roles.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Current: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Current: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Appointment of military officers
Old value:: Individual units elect their officers.
Current: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Proposed: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:08:44, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This might seem like an overly large bill but we believe that all of the articles are all in a similar vein. They all concern the military and moderately increasing its capabilities, primarily in times of war. We do not feel that anything outrageous is being proposed but are happy to negotiate or dicuss the separate proposals. The Republicans are a pro-military party, but not pro-war. We do not wish to see Lodamun involved in any conflict, but we should not shut our eyes to an unstable world and should act accordingly. There is no use in putting some of the measures proposed here into place once it is too late, we should prepare for our defence today. Thomas McDonald Leader of the Republican Party |
| Date | 10:33:12, July 13, 2018 CET | From | National-Socialist Lodamun Workers Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The proposed bill seems to be in perfect ballance. There is no need for us to expect a war in the near future, but when our nation is threatened we ought to be prepared. The bill has our support. John Miller Leader of the National-Socialist Lodamun Workers Party |
| Date | 10:40:56, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Lodamun Labour Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The LLP has always been a supporter of a strong military. This bill covers many things the LLP always wanted to (re)introduce. Though we are also critical. In order for the LLP to vote for this bill the LLP wishes to change article 11. We do not think that weapons produced in Lodamun should be sold without any restriction. The current law allows for us to carefully select to which country we sell weapons, so that they do not end up in the hands of some maniac dictator or something similair. Irma Johnson LLP MP on Defence |
| Date | 10:53:50, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Secular Humanist Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I too am in favour of strengthening our military. We need a strong defence for our nation. I see a lot I like here. The appointment of military officers by the Ministry of Defence is far better than having them elected, as the proposed version commands more respect. Researching nuclear, chemical, and biological technology is good, as knowledge is good. Not using this technology unless in reciprocation seems sensible to us. Although we would make an acception for biological warfare, as the consequences of for example using a virus on an enemy army can have incredible unforseen consequences. Regarding a national service, we would prefer it be compulsory entirely including outside of wartime, but with an option for a civilian service as well. We therefore support Articles 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, and 10. We are against the using of land mines though, as they often lead to unnecessary civilian deaths years after a war is over. The costs of using land mines is therefore considerable and we believe it provides little tactical benefit. We therefore oppose Articles 2 and 5 We also agree with LLP that we should sell weapons only to select countries. We therefore would like to propose different changes regarding Articles 7 and 11. Jeremiah Gottwald SHP MP on Defence |
| Date | 10:55:06, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Progressives | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Liberal Progressives have pushed for the limiting of the size of our military for good reason: it was overly large, unnecessarily politicised and extremely expensive. We wouldn’t support rolling back our own policies. We could potentially support article 11 if introduced separately, but not like this. Alexander Graham, Shadow Minister of Defense for the Liberal Progressives |
| Date | 11:54:12, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I thank the other parties for their contributions to this debate and will look at breaking this Bill up into seperate parts to ensure that parties are free to positively vote on areas they support. Thomas McDonald Leader of the Republicans |
| Date | 12:38:53, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Republican Party has run the numbers and believes that there current is enough support for Articles 1-10 for this to be put to vote. Article 11, on the export of arms has been removed and shall be readdressed at another time. Unless there is any objection I move that this Bill is put to vote. Thomas McDonald. Leader of the Republicans. |
| Date | 13:06:59, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Secular Humanist Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would like to request the Republican Party, to break up the proposal for articles 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, and 10 from the other proposals. We can then vote with him on those. Alexander Prince Leader of the SHP |
| Date | 23:22:54, July 13, 2018 CET | From | Progressive Socialist Party | To | Debating the Lodamun Defence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The PSP agrees with the SHP on this. We will not support the use of biological, chemical or nuclear warfare, nor will we allow the use of landmines. Luuk Voncken PSP Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 123 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 295 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 181 |
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