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Bill: Involuntary Information Act II
Details
Submitted by[?]: Abandoned NFC Headquarters
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2064
Description[?]:
| The citizens of Endralon must be protected. As the recent insurgency of foreign involvement and interference shows, we must have a means of protecting the large body of law-abiding citizens that we are sworn to govern. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:51:33, June 07, 2005 CET | From |  MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Involuntary Information Act II |
| Message | I'm sorry NFC I simply cant accept that torture is effective or ever truly justified , there are simply better less anti-humanitarian manners of procuring information. |
| Date | 00:56:40, June 07, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Involuntary Information Act II |
| Message | We are, naturally, against such an absurd bill. |
| Date | 12:30:47, June 07, 2005 CET | From | Delete This Party!!! | To | Debating the Involuntary Information Act II |
| Message | In some circumstances it can be justified, what if torturing one criminal saves hundreds, thousands of lives? |
| Date | 12:36:36, June 07, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Involuntary Information Act II |
| Message | what if me shooting the next person I see saves hundreds of thousands of lives? The fact is theres no reason to believe that such an action will yeild the results I desire just as theres no reason to believe that torturing a prisoner will yeild effective results . Both actions are also intrinsically negative both internally and in terms of our interations with others (geneva convention anyone?) and thus I dont go around shooting people , and I dont support this bill. greater good arguments rarely are. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 207 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 448 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: If there are no parties in your nation with seats, feel free to visit the forum and request an early election on the Early Election Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4362 |
| Random quote: "What are you trying to protect heterosexual marriages from? There isn't a limited amount of love in Iowa. It isn't a non-renewable resource. If Amy and Barbara or Mike and Steve love each other, it doesn't mean that John and Mary can't." - Ed Fallon |