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Bill: New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Liberal Party of Hutori
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4428
Description[?]:
| A bill to create a new flag that honors the monarchy in Hutori, pursuant to the mandate of the FLAGS Act of 4401. This bill will make the Red/Blue Saltire the flag of Hutori and adopt as official the proposed seal of the commonwealth of Hutori. It will also allow the use of a simplified civil ensign. The Seal of Hutori: https://ibb.co/c8CkKJ The Seal (Sans Crown): https://ibb.co/dgS7Yd National Flag: Blue and Red Saltire with Seal https://ibb.co/drigtd National Flag: Blue and Red Saltire with Seal (Sans Crown): https://ibb.co/d9HZEJ Civil Ensign: https://ibb.co/k8GSZJ The description of the seal is as follows: "The sun, in yellow, shines over the nation of Hutori, represented by the six pointed star at its center. The top point of the six-pointed star represents the people of Hutori, while the remaining five points represent her five provinces. The point atop the six-pointed star that represents the people of Hutori is crowned by the Imperial Coronet of the House of Steuart-Charmichael. This represents both the people's reverence to the Monarch and that the Monarch is charged with the protection of and service to the Hutori People. The 12-pointed star is emblazoned in red - a color used extensively in the art of the Mashacara people. Each point represents a different Mashacara tribe. The seal therefore represents the joining of the Luthori settlers with the first nations people of Makon with the support of the crown enveloped in a rising sun to show that the future of Hutori is forever bright." Government Agencies are encouraged to use the seal in their own heraldry, as the following examples show: Hutori Navy: https://ibb.co/ebJwTd Hutori Army: https://ibb.co/k5BGTd Hutori Air Force Roundel: https://ibb.co/nRcC1y |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/016/9/3/united_system_of_sol_flag_by_wmediaindustries-d5rr0f1.png
Current: https://image.ibb.co/iA321y/Screen_Shot_2018_07_21_at_5_33_42_PM.png
Proposed: https://image.ibb.co/iA321y/Screen_Shot_2018_07_21_at_5_33_42_PM.png
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:56:03, July 20, 2018 CET | From |  New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would like to present the following options for a flag for Hutori for comment. Each of these flags has as its center what we propose to be the new seal of the Commonwealth as shown here: https://ibb.co/crhWry The sun, in yellow, shines over the nation of Hutori, represented by the six pointed star at its center. The top point of the six-pointed star represents the people of Hutori, while the remaining five points represent her five provinces. The point atop the six-pointed star that represents the people of Hutori is crowned by the Imperial Coronet of the House of Steuart-Charmichael. This represents both the people's reverence to the Monarch and that the Monarch is charged with the protection of and service to the Hutori People. The Maple Leaf, a symbol found at the center of the flag of the original Hutori Federation is emblazoned in red - a color used extensively in the art of the Mashacara people. It therefore represents the joining of the Luthori settlers with the first nations people of Makon. The seal can be treated multiple different ways and be used over a variety of different colored backgrounds Sample 1 (As shown above): https://ibb.co/crhWry Sample 2: https://ibb.co/nHAUdd Sample 3: https://ibb.co/hH1D4J Furthermore, the seal can be amended for use by government departments, such as: The Presidency: https://ibb.co/nHQsWy Parliament: https://ibb.co/i21o4J The Royal Army: https://ibb.co/eh4ajJ The Royal Navy: https://ibb.co/jNLFjJ The Ministry of Foreign Affairs: https://ibb.co/hmPmry The New Liberals would like to present the following options for a new Hutorian flag: The Blue Bars: https://ibb.co/c9EcWy - A simple bold representation of the continent of Makon surrounded by ocean, with Hutori at its centre. The Restoration Flag: https://ibb.co/ebQ6PJ - This option revives the flag of the first Commonwealth of Hutori which was used from 3229 to 3586, and amends it with the proposed seal. The Union Flag: https://ibb.co/bwvUdd - This flag is an almost complete copy of the Luthori flag, however, it replaces the Luthori crest with the proposed Seal of Hutori. The Blue Union Flag: https://ibb.co/jqsZdd - This flag replaces the red cross in the Union flag for a blue cross, to better differentiate Hutori from Luthori. The Red Saltire: https://ibb.co/kyNmPJ - This flag's red saltire refrences the Red Luthori Cross. The Red and Blue Saltire: https://ibb.co/hRfjBy - A variant of the Red Saltire flag that adds blue to represent the oceans that connect Luthori to Hutori The Bold Blue: https://ibb.co/kDxmPJ - A Blue and White simplified variant of the Restoration flag. We look forward to your comments and suggestions. Jim O'Neill MP for Acton Gardens |
| Date | 06:04:08, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Dude... ALL KINDS OF YES!!!!!! I like the Blue Bars.... and I'll make an IC comment... but heck yes!!! |
| Date | 06:05:56, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Personally I am don't think we have the maple leaf on our flag. Perhaps something a bit more Hutorian? Like our national animal? |
| Date | 06:06:39, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Other than that great job! |
| Date | 06:13:52, July 20, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: I can easily replace the maple leaf. That's not a problem at all. Trying to figure out what a stylized Badger would look like... I want to clarify, it isn't that I don't like the current flag - it is super cool. But it is meant to be the flag of the Solar System: https://www.deviantart.com/wmediaindustries/art/United-System-of-Sol-Flag-348940765 I wanted to try my hand at making something a little more Hutorian. :) |
| Date | 06:28:47, July 20, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Also, if you want to take a look at the history of Hutori flags, someone has done a good job of maintaining that part of the Wiki: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Hutori In the world of Terra, I have the maple leaf representing the leaf that was used on the Hutori Federation flag. IRL that flag seems to be the flag of Maple Ridge, BC in Canada! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Ridge,_British_Columbia#/media/File:City_of_Maple_Ridge,_British_Columbia_flag.jpg The Luthori Flag is apparently the West Riding of Yorkshire Flag: https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/e/west-riding-of-yorkshire-flag-std.jpg |
| Date | 07:01:38, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: I am game for changing the flag I just want to distance ourselves from real world symbolism. Not that I have anything against the maple leaf it's just I want something more unique. |
| Date | 16:32:13, July 20, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Given the opposition to the maple leaf, we would like to offer another option: the 12 sided star. Each point represents each Mashacara tribe. It can be placed on any of the flag designs previously suggested. The Seal of Hutori: https://ibb.co/c8CkKJ The Seal (Sans Crown): https://ibb.co/dgS7Yd Blue Bars with new seal: https://ibb.co/m7YszJ Blue and Red Saltire with new seal: https://ibb.co/drigtd Roundel of the Hutori Air Force: https://ibb.co/d8OszJ We look forward to your comments and questions. Jim O'Neill MP for Acton Gardens |
| Date | 17:23:55, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Personally I'd prefer the Maple Leaf over the 12 sided star (maybe thats just the Canadian patriotism in me lol) but I'm fine with either. As for flag design, I like the Red and Blue Saltire the best, Blue Bars would be my second choice. |
| Date | 17:38:36, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: I prefer the 12 sides star too the maple leaf but am fine with either, for flag my favorite is blue and red saltire followed by blue bars, I would also prefer if it did not have a crown but it isn’t a big deal |
| Date | 17:40:00, July 20, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Here is what the Red/Blue Saltire looks like flying: https://krikienoid.github.io/flagwaver/#?src=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2FbAPAmy%2FScreen_Shot_2018_07_20_at_9_12_52_AM.png And here is what Blue Bars looks like flying: https://krikienoid.github.io/flagwaver/#?src=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2Fg7cKeJ%2FScreen_Shot_2018_07_20_at_9_14_20_AM.png |
| Date | 18:00:17, July 20, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | OOC: Although the blue bars is an exceedingly close second, let's go with the Red/Blue Saltire it is gorgeous and I love the work that went into this. I'm indifferent to either the Maple Leaf or the star, but if we want to stay away from real world symbolism let's go with the star. it's similar enough to the Maple Leaf my own Canadian patriotism isn't triggered that much lol |
| Date | 00:46:34, July 22, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Given the feedback from our friends in government and across the aisle, we will move this bill forward using the Red/Blue Saltire as the flag of choice. We hope this is amenable to all. Jim O'Neill MP for Acton Gardens Minister for Education and Culture Deputy Leader of the New Liberal Party |
| Date | 00:58:37, July 22, 2018 CET | From |  Scientian Enclave | To | Debating the New Liberal Constitutional Reform Bill 3 of 3 - Envisioning a New Standard for the Interests and Good of the Nation (ENSIGN) Act of 4426 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We prefer the present simpler design, which we find more aesthetically pleasing than any of the proposed. However we will defer judgement to the other parties in parliament. Since there appears to be a consensus for change on this matter, we will vote in agreement. Norbert Lowell Ambassador of the Scientian Enclave |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 405 | ||||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "Democrats always assure us that deterrence will work, but when the time comes to deter, they're against it. " - Ann Coulter |