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Bill: Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito degli Agricoltori - NCD
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4459
Description[?]:
| Let us use the senate to vote on new high court judges. The President nominates a high court judge and the senate must pass the candidate with a minimum of 60-40. The high Court: Let this be political appointees with left centre and right leaning judges. The judges ages are only allowed to be between 55 and 79. (Good for gameplay). Let us debate on this idea! Just want some gameplay for our senate. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:52:32, July 29, 2018 CET | From | Fronte Democratico - P.L. | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | Not bad idea, I support it! |
| Date | 08:58:31, July 30, 2018 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | What a beautiful idea! I like it! But, let definite very well what judges are involved in this RP. I assume that you are talking about the judges of the Supreme Court (let see: https://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Judiciary_of_Istalia#Constitutional_Law) who are those that have to judge primary on the costitutionality of the laws. When I created the page, I adopted the italian system of nomination of the judges a little modified to consider the semi-presidential nature of the State. So there are: 15 judges for the term of service of seven years, 5 appointed by the President, 5 elected by the Parliament and 5 elected by the ordinary and administrative supreme courts (3 by the supreme Tribunal of Cassation, 2 from the Council of State). Now, I assumed that the judges involved in this RP are the ones choosen by the Parliament (we can give to the Senate this responsability). Furthermore, do you want to increase the number of judges choosen by the Parliament (Senate) or we can maintain the number of 5 judges? |
| Date | 11:14:37, July 30, 2018 CET | From | Partito degli Agricoltori - NCD | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | I would like to have some sort of american system where the senate passes all the judges for the supreme court. And we look at the senate seats, where we must have a 60-40 vote. This could have some interesting gameplay specially if the President would not have 60 votes and tries to bargain with opposition! And yes we had many times coalitions with 60 or over 60 seats. And only the President can nominate, thus negotiations during a replacement year would add some new gameplay dimention. I propose 15 seats. And to make it fair we could start having 7 right leaning 7 left leaning and 1 neutral/centrist. |
| Date | 12:41:27, July 30, 2018 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | the split wouldn't necessarily work in Istalia due to the right being split into the conservative/nationalist PND right, the classical liberal/libertarian ULD right and the centrist, mostly hosian-democratic right of the PdA. This can however be fixed by assuming that the PND and ULD almost always work together, just like the AR and FD, and so they are the "right" and the "left" respectively, and the parties that affiliate and cooperate with them are too, and so the PdA would kinda be the center due to cooperating with both camps. |
| Date | 17:23:20, July 30, 2018 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | ok, I understand, so.... in order to assure a certain realism, first of all we have to enact an RP Constitutionaly Law which will definite the new system of appointment of the judges. So, we can continue to say that President continues to appoint 5 judges but then the Senate must confirme them with the other 10. Do you propose to let President and Parliament appoints ALL the 15 judges? |
| Date | 18:10:56, July 30, 2018 CET | From | Fronte Democratico - P.L. | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | For me it is OK but the President of the Court (if any) should be independent without political tendencies |
| Date | 03:46:08, July 31, 2018 CET | From | Partito degli Agricoltori - NCD | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | I can agree with the points made. |
| Date | 21:35:28, July 31, 2018 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | This could be very interesting! |
| Date | 17:51:32, September 22, 2018 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Ooc: a way to make the senate relevant. |
| Message | OOC: archiving |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 356 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 149 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow role-play that seems to belong to the world of fantasy, science fiction and futuristic speculation. |
| Random quote: "Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." - Edmund Burke |