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Bill: A Republic at last
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ultrackian Communist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4447
Description[?]:
We shall end the monarchy once and for all |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Chancellor
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: First minister
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: His Imperial & Most Excellent Royal Majesty William VII of House Steuart-Carmichael, Sovereign of the Imperial Commonwealth, Inheritor of the House of Rothingren-Traugott Orange-Villyan Branch, Monarch & King of Hutori, High Chieftain of the Mashacara, Emperor of Luthori, King of Kazullia, Prince of Vanuku, Lord Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Lion, Supreme Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith & Constitution As Represented by Their Excellency The Dually Elected President of the Commonwealth
Current: His Imperial and Most Excellent Royal Majesty, Alexander III of House Steuart-Carmichael, King and Monarch of Hutori, High Chieftain of the Mashacara People, Prince of Orange-Vilyan, Vanuku, Dolgava, Lourenne, Kazullia & Dorvik, Grand Duke of Geharon & Iztapalata, Duke of Stormkapp, Karzon, Carolleux & Bellemont, Count of Ackerly, Lord Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Lion, Supreme Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Defender of the Constitution and the Faith, as Represented in Hutori, in Service of the People, the Duly Elected Right Honourable President of the Commonwealth
Proposed: President of Hutori
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: House of Parliament
Current: House of Parliament
Proposed: legislative assembly
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Titles of nobility.
Old value:: Titles of nobility may be granted only by the Head of State.
Current: Titles of nobility may be granted only by the Head of State.
Proposed: No titles of nobility are granted or recognised, their use is forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 23:02:25, August 26, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr speaker who will support this legislation? Ultrackius, president of Hutori |
Date | 23:26:40, August 26, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr Speaker, The Royalist Party will always reject any republican reform. A constitutional monarchy has worked in Hutori for more than a century and worked many times before that. The most stable times in our nation's history, have been during the reigns of the monarchy. Having an unelected, non-partisan monarch, with an elected government prevents a dictatorship from ever arising. Dylan Jourdain MP for Fairview Prosperity Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition |
Date | 08:48:34, August 27, 2018 CET | From | Neoliberal Alliance | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr Speaker, With all due respect to Mr Jourdain, I have to disagree. Does he not realise that the unelected, non-partisan monarch he is talking about, if he ever so chooses, could easily become a dictator himself? We are a prosperous, relatively stable nation, and the notion that we somehow need to be babied is frankly insulting to millions of voting Hutoris. I am more than positive that they would be smart enough to avoid voting in a dictator. Robert Oliver MP for Lagard |
Date | 16:38:29, August 27, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr speaker, that is all I needed to hear Ultrackius |
Date | 20:05:42, August 27, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr Speaker, I don't believe the member from Lagard understands the powers of the Monarch. Dylan Jourdain MP for Fiarview Prosperity Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition |
Date | 20:28:15, August 27, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr Speaker, I will not allow the Monarchy to fall during my leadership as Chancellor. The New Liberals will vote no. Sophia Morris Chancellor |
Date | 20:30:51, August 27, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr Speaker, With all due respect to the Chancellor, her party members do not always agree with her on this issue. She may whip the vote now, but in March she will either be the President or out of a job. This bill will come up again as it can’t pass before then, and we will see where the votes are. Jim O’Neill Leader of the New Liberal Republican Caucus |
Date | 00:35:14, August 28, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Alright real talk... why is there now a massive push to abolish the Monarchy? If your so dead set on a President why not go to any number of three dozen nations in PT thay use the system you are constantly trying to reform Hutori into. What is the push for everyone to want a Republic? |
Date | 02:13:28, August 28, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: for me at least I feel like I’ve invested to much time and energy to even think about switching and I want to enact some positive change |
Date | 02:48:42, August 28, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: It is only for RP purposes, besides as USPH has stated, invested too much into Hutori to switch... I guess it is just about bringing a new era of RP for Hutori as well, down the track even if monarchy is abolished, it could be reinstated. |
Date | 15:55:14, August 28, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Aye... but I want the players to consider it took me 4 centuries to Restore the Monarchy... that's 400 in games years or 2 Real Life Uears... the Monarchy has barely around for over a century. I dont mind the Republican Monarchy debate, I do my even mind aboloshomg the Monarchy at a later time... but at least give it time, that'd all I'm asking |
Date | 00:04:16, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Like the other one, do not move this for a vote yet, I OOC issues with the way it's written, but I need to know whether it'll be pushed forward and it actually has a chance to pass before we do anything with it. IC: Mr. Speaker Like with the Liberal National Amendment sitting before Parliament I request that the new Leader of the New Liberals inform this House whether or not they will be supporting a Republican Constitutional Amendment and Reformation during this sitting of Parliament. Neil MacDougall MP for Langdon South |
Date | 00:04:59, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Also dude... how FUCKING OLD is Ultrackius... you party was former 80 years ago.. it might be time for new leadership, he's apparently been leader for 8 decades... longer then most people are in politics period. |
Date | 02:27:48, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: good point, I’ll have either Empharius or article 17 kill him off |
Date | 02:38:14, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Umm same thing about Empharius... they have BOTH been around since the 4360s... they are both in their 100s are a minimum... and that's assuming they came to Hutori in their 20s |
Date | 05:21:10, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Just try to think realistically about age and tenure in politics, most politicians serve for 10 years (on average) you have some that last into 20 and 30 years, occasionally 40, but anything beyond that is usually extremely rare. |
Date | 05:34:43, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: The only exception in Hutorian politics were the Royal Family (for obvious reasons) and the Scientian/Ataraxians but that was after years of carefully crafted Role Play to explain why their Ambassadors (Party Leaders) stayed on for decades. |
Date | 06:12:24, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: could I pretend Empharius is a recent politician? Also what are the problems with the bill? |
Date | 14:34:43, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: I honestly need to know whether or not the NLP is voting in favour of it before I comment... but JUST the initial text; the First minister and legislative assembly, the M, L and A should all be capitalized. On the meat of the text it's the same problem I've had with every Republican Amendment save one... you want to know more ask me aiC. |
Date | 15:51:14, August 29, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr. Speaker A very sinpme question, and it will sum up only a fraction of what is wrong with this Bill; what are the powers of the President? Neil MacDougall MP for Langdon South |
Date | 03:27:05, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: what does it matter? The important thing is what it actually does, RP doesn’t matter nearly as much |
Date | 04:54:42, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: actually it matters quite a bit. The fact that you propose bills without thinking through any of the details is what worries us. |
Date | 04:56:30, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: it was the same reason I proposed my own cannabis legalization bill a few decades ago. Your bill didn't cover any of the regulations, so I drafted my own bill that did. I don' mean to be harsh, just that in a game that is driven by role play, those details mean a lot. |
Date | 06:47:02, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | OOC: Since you rammed this through without bothering to debate... this is the same problem that happened with the President last time. It was left in legal limbo without ANY defined powers. The only thing it was able to do literally was bring in international agreements... that's it. The President cant speak in QP, cant introduce Bills, and unless specified, has no authority over Cabinet or anything else. RIS isnt here anymore but he can tell you about the almost laughable position the President was in; could present a Cabinet that Parliament could ignore and was, with hostile Parliaments/Senates, left entirely powerless to do a thing. You need to specify the roles and powers of the President or the legal and constitutional limbo you leave in, means we can abuse the vagueness; if the issue is about game mechanics what does changing the name from President of the Commonwealth on behalf of the Monarchy to changing it to President of Hutori accomplish? You vant pick and chose what aspects of Role Play you like.. you have to take all of it, otherwise Hutori REALLY isnt the place for you. |
Date | 18:28:02, August 31, 2018 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr. Speaker, This is why the New Liberals agreed in party not to address the status of the Republic without addressing the role of the Presidency first. As you know, I personally believe a Republic is the right way to go. However, President Morris does not. We will respect the agreement we made with the president and refuse to allow our party members to vote on this issue until after the role of the First Minister is settled. We are saddened that our friends in the USPH have voted against the First Minister legislation in Constitutional Amendment 1. Had they voted for it, there would be no questions as to the role of the President when bringing this bill up for a vote: There would be no President! Many who have expressed disapproval of the bill might have their concerns satisfied. Therefore, I ask members of this house, who would vote for this bill if Constitutional Amendment 1 passes with a 2/3 vote in this house, thereby ensuring a clear role for the Head of Government/Head of State? Jim O'Neill New Liberal Leader |
Date | 19:24:43, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr. Speaker I speak on behalf of our entire Party and can confirm without reservation the Royalists will never support the abolishment of the Monarchy and will not vote in favour of any Constitutional Amendment that abolishes the Monarchy. Period. Rose McHale Royalist House Leader MP for Bekenial East |
Date | 20:21:49, August 31, 2018 CET | From | Ultrackian Communist Party | To | Debating the A Republic at last |
Message | Mr speaker As we have switched our vote on the presidency issue we see no reason why the abstaining parties should not vote |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 70 | |||
no |
Total Seats: 66 | |||
abstain | Total Seats: 45 |
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