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Bill: A Republic at last

Details

Submitted by[?]: Ultrackian Communist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 4447

Description[?]:

We shall end the monarchy once and for all

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date23:02:25, August 26, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr speaker who will support this legislation?

Ultrackius, president of Hutori

Date23:26:40, August 26, 2018 CET
From Hutori Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr Speaker,

The Royalist Party will always reject any republican reform. A constitutional monarchy has worked in Hutori for more than a century and worked many times before that. The most stable times in our nation's history, have been during the reigns of the monarchy. Having an unelected, non-partisan monarch, with an elected government prevents a dictatorship from ever arising.

Dylan Jourdain
MP for Fairview Prosperity
Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition

Date08:48:34, August 27, 2018 CET
From Neoliberal Alliance
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr Speaker,

With all due respect to Mr Jourdain, I have to disagree. Does he not realise that the unelected, non-partisan monarch he is talking about, if he ever so chooses, could easily become a dictator himself?
We are a prosperous, relatively stable nation, and the notion that we somehow need to be babied is frankly insulting to millions of voting Hutoris. I am more than positive that they would be smart enough to avoid voting in a dictator.

Robert Oliver
MP for Lagard



Date16:38:29, August 27, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr speaker, that is all I needed to hear

Ultrackius

Date20:05:42, August 27, 2018 CET
From Hutori Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr Speaker,

I don't believe the member from Lagard understands the powers of the Monarch.

Dylan Jourdain
MP for Fiarview Prosperity
Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition

Date20:28:15, August 27, 2018 CET
From New Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr Speaker,

I will not allow the Monarchy to fall during my leadership as Chancellor. The New Liberals will vote no.

Sophia Morris
Chancellor

Date20:30:51, August 27, 2018 CET
From New Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr Speaker,

With all due respect to the Chancellor, her party members do not always agree with her on this issue. She may whip the vote now, but in March she will either be the President or out of a job. This bill will come up again as it can’t pass before then, and we will see where the votes are.

Jim O’Neill
Leader of the New Liberal Republican Caucus

Date00:35:14, August 28, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Alright real talk... why is there now a massive push to abolish the Monarchy? If your so dead set on a President why not go to any number of three dozen nations in PT thay use the system you are constantly trying to reform Hutori into. What is the push for everyone to want a Republic?

Date02:13:28, August 28, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: for me at least I feel like I’ve invested to much time and energy to even think about switching and I want to enact some positive change

Date02:48:42, August 28, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: It is only for RP purposes, besides as USPH has stated, invested too much into Hutori to switch... I guess it is just about bringing a new era of RP for Hutori as well, down the track even if monarchy is abolished, it could be reinstated.

Date15:55:14, August 28, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Aye... but I want the players to consider it took me 4 centuries to Restore the Monarchy... that's 400 in games years or 2 Real Life Uears... the Monarchy has barely around for over a century. I dont mind the Republican Monarchy debate, I do my even mind aboloshomg the Monarchy at a later time... but at least give it time, that'd all I'm asking

Date00:04:16, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Like the other one, do not move this for a vote yet, I OOC issues with the way it's written, but I need to know whether it'll be pushed forward and it actually has a chance to pass before we do anything with it.

IC:
Mr. Speaker

Like with the Liberal National Amendment sitting before Parliament I request that the new Leader of the New Liberals inform this House whether or not they will be supporting a Republican Constitutional Amendment and Reformation during this sitting of Parliament.

Neil MacDougall
MP for Langdon South

Date00:04:59, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Also dude... how FUCKING OLD is Ultrackius... you party was former 80 years ago.. it might be time for new leadership, he's apparently been leader for 8 decades... longer then most people are in politics period.

Date02:27:48, August 29, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: good point, I’ll have either Empharius or article 17 kill him off

Date02:38:14, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Umm same thing about Empharius... they have BOTH been around since the 4360s... they are both in their 100s are a minimum... and that's assuming they came to Hutori in their 20s

Date05:21:10, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Just try to think realistically about age and tenure in politics, most politicians serve for 10 years (on average) you have some that last into 20 and 30 years, occasionally 40, but anything beyond that is usually extremely rare.

Date05:34:43, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: The only exception in Hutorian politics were the Royal Family (for obvious reasons) and the Scientian/Ataraxians but that was after years of carefully crafted Role Play to explain why their Ambassadors (Party Leaders) stayed on for decades.

Date06:12:24, August 29, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: could I pretend Empharius is a recent politician? Also what are the problems with the bill?

Date14:34:43, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: I honestly need to know whether or not the NLP is voting in favour of it before I comment... but JUST the initial text; the First minister and legislative assembly, the M, L and A should all be capitalized.

On the meat of the text it's the same problem I've had with every Republican Amendment save one... you want to know more ask me aiC.

Date15:51:14, August 29, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr. Speaker

A very sinpme question, and it will sum up only a fraction of what is wrong with this Bill; what are the powers of the President?

Neil MacDougall
MP for Langdon South

Date03:27:05, August 31, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: what does it matter? The important thing is what it actually does, RP doesn’t matter nearly as much

Date04:54:42, August 31, 2018 CET
From Hutori Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: actually it matters quite a bit. The fact that you propose bills without thinking through any of the details is what worries us.

Date04:56:30, August 31, 2018 CET
From Hutori Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: it was the same reason I proposed my own cannabis legalization bill a few decades ago. Your bill didn't cover any of the regulations, so I drafted my own bill that did. I don' mean to be harsh, just that in a game that is driven by role play, those details mean a lot.

Date06:47:02, August 31, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageOOC: Since you rammed this through without bothering to debate... this is the same problem that happened with the President last time. It was left in legal limbo without ANY defined powers. The only thing it was able to do literally was bring in international agreements... that's it.

The President cant speak in QP, cant introduce Bills, and unless specified, has no authority over Cabinet or anything else. RIS isnt here anymore but he can tell you about the almost laughable position the President was in; could present a Cabinet that Parliament could ignore and was, with hostile Parliaments/Senates, left entirely powerless to do a thing.

You need to specify the roles and powers of the President or the legal and constitutional limbo you leave in, means we can abuse the vagueness; if the issue is about game mechanics what does changing the name from President of the Commonwealth on behalf of the Monarchy to changing it to President of Hutori accomplish? You vant pick and chose what aspects of Role Play you like.. you have to take all of it, otherwise Hutori REALLY isnt the place for you.

Date18:28:02, August 31, 2018 CET
From New Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr. Speaker,

This is why the New Liberals agreed in party not to address the status of the Republic without addressing the role of the Presidency first. As you know, I personally believe a Republic is the right way to go. However, President Morris does not. We will respect the agreement we made with the president and refuse to allow our party members to vote on this issue until after the role of the First Minister is settled.

We are saddened that our friends in the USPH have voted against the First Minister legislation in Constitutional Amendment 1. Had they voted for it, there would be no questions as to the role of the President when bringing this bill up for a vote: There would be no President! Many who have expressed disapproval of the bill might have their concerns satisfied. Therefore, I ask members of this house, who would vote for this bill if Constitutional Amendment 1 passes with a 2/3 vote in this house, thereby ensuring a clear role for the Head of Government/Head of State?

Jim O'Neill
New Liberal Leader


Date19:24:43, August 31, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr. Speaker

I speak on behalf of our entire Party and can confirm without reservation the Royalists will never support the abolishment of the Monarchy and will not vote in favour of any Constitutional Amendment that abolishes the Monarchy. Period.

Rose McHale
Royalist House Leader
MP for Bekenial East

Date20:21:49, August 31, 2018 CET
From Ultrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the A Republic at last
MessageMr speaker

As we have switched our vote on the presidency issue we see no reason why the abstaining parties should not vote

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 70

no
   

Total Seats: 66

abstain
   

Total Seats: 45


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